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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Scanner: mx11.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -6.38 X-Spam-Score: -6.38 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 1D18240123 X-TUID: SgYLyrj4Dl/5 On 2024-12-19 22:17, Janneke Nieuwenhuizen wrote: > Divya Ranjan writes: > > Hello, > >> The other day, after being frustrated of build systems (auto-tools, >> meson, maven etc.), I wondered why doesn’t Guix which has such >> powerful tools within it (`guix build`, `guix pack` etc.) also not >> have a purely Guile-based build tool? After all, our goal is to make >> deployment, and building both more declarative and away from the >> all-too-familiar “dependency hell”. > > [..] > >> I was indicated by others that such an idea has previously been >> conceievd among Guix developers themselves, namely as a GSoC >> proposal[0]. I couldn’t find if that has progressed towards anything, >> nor could find anything in the mailing list. > > From my notes I have > > * make in Guile: potato-make, bespoke > ** https://github.com/spk121/potato-make > ** https://codeberg.org/lechner/bespoke > > but there's probably more. And then there's also the Guix Workflow > Language. > Dont forget CWL. Pjotr Prins did a great writeup on an approach 5 years ago: http://hpc.guix.info/blog/2019/01/creating-a-reproducible-workflow-with-cwl/ Greetings, Jonathan