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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1626474475; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=7PP5EStCPQBTUQnzARdBCOdOtVobVxlh6DiNxksfz1o=; b=rerBT6g32tgThxSpDZRcshVey9Sm2E8zlvRZcZO/Fr7jWL+u0K06fhawVxcr21J6AncpVJ vCqYQEE9GzWdwiprmxowmWGFjHStgXmqOpwdm3354mXKIWl1grhMzk0cmBgg9o2WCRb8/M PjE5W/HQCkKTbEsWkSOjfIFjLOyCPNbeB/7T/5dtyW8r9n58XCh5txbCMvxOdL9Fs4Ex0B LRW3SgE+VweIRyKhwPfc6TbzNUX0cogEq9jU1rF3f8NcDT4Z+PmaA2HVyCDBfteCHWORoI HNIgb1HTIYAUZX43zE/A0htAJHGoBiPpVdEWHR5eTzSm1jZYMF2uounITJ+lKQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1626474475; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=rP5JPfls+2yDOnce0SrbM4xU2LARuVQf8QE3p0nZY/aztVaolN/mW1Z9NwpfSI1vqCMUKR oxYCvH2EvPdb5DECAwjtAiB4pRLLOajsgxnhdi9sdYQLsKiMGk+t4XvC6+UvpFzAFGoVrN q2t7fEg4aMYbT0BbSeRz17wPQYF85ybjkPRzL8vsknA3fmGr4BviRwkWak10dOgfyUfCUU ZD0V8TQ6NkOXKKh8ASd/7Tltj2ZSdEIDlRzvzJVqJiZ0TS0wYzP7IigTCmWfk07kqKOWn3 hpElU4DJT1nFFalsv9Q8nPoK2IrIIL77dYWjEiZjqn0dVfE/v/05XjKo72a59Q== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=tugraz.at header.s=mailrelay header.b=JtCgmLmc; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=student.tugraz.at; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.11 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=tugraz.at header.s=mailrelay header.b=JtCgmLmc; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=student.tugraz.at; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 35EAABDD0 X-Spam-Score: -3.11 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: Nt1uOmIJivQ7 Am Donnerstag, den 15.07.2021, 13:06 +0200 schrieb Leo Prikler: > Am Mittwoch, den 14.07.2021, 09:57 -0400 schrieb Bone Baboon: > > [...] > > > > In this response to the pull request I submitted about the > > questionable files in the cowsay repository > > < > > https://github.com/tnalpgge/rank-amateur-cowsay/pull/4#issuecomment-878092487 > > apjanke is requesting feedback. > > > > > If there are any actual IP lawyers, relevant IP owners, or > > > distributions who redistribute cowsay who would like to weigh in > > > on > > > this, I'd definitely like to hear what you have to say. > > > > For those who want to respond to apjanke but do not have or do not > > want to use a GitHub account I can link this email thread in the > > discussion about the pull request. > I am not an IP lawyer, nor do I own any of said characters, but I'd > like to point out that not all jurisdictions follow the US model. In > Germany for example, you can (in the near future/already?) not use > more than 160 characters of copyrighted material -- granted, the > cowfiles are shorter than that, but copyright law is troubling over > here in Europe nonetheless. To expand on this, the 160 characters thing is a compromise, as according to ยง51a of the UrhG the use of copyrighted material for the purposes of caricature or parody is legal in Germany [1]. Vader koalas would probably fall under this paragraph. Now one could hypothesize that this applies to other parts of the EU as well, but I wouldn't be too sure about that. The Austrian UrhG at least to my untrained eyes and substring search appears to be lacking such a right to parody our great mouse overlord. As others point out, it is debatable whether or not such a trademark can be enforced, but what we should be discussing -- and I'd be more than happy to be wrong on this -- is whether or not the cowfiles can be distributed under GPL-compatible terms/in accordance with the FSDG. Regards, Leo [1] https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/urhg/__51a.html