From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: swedebugia Subject: Re: Re-approaching package tagging Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 21:57:59 +0100 Message-ID: References: <875zvsq8ov.fsf@dustycloud.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60001) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gZ08j-0001AD-NI for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 16:09:35 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gYzro-0006wq-9v for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 15:52:00 -0500 Received: from mx1.riseup.net ([198.252.153.129]:35344) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gYzrn-0006XW-S5 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 15:51:56 -0500 Received: from cotinga.riseup.net (cotinga-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.164]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DBA531A062B for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 12:51:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cotinga.riseup.net with ESMTPSA id 3409744608 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 12:51:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <875zvsq8ov.fsf@dustycloud.org> Content-Language: en-US List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: guix-devel@gnu.org Hi :) On 2018-12-17 20:01, Christopher Lemmer Webber wrote: > Hello, > > In the past when we've discussed package tagging, I think Ludo' has been > against it, primarily because it's a giant source of bikeshedding. I > agree that it's a huge space for bikeshedding... no space provides more > bikeshedding than naming things, and tagging things is a many to many > naming system. > > However, I will say that finding packages based on topical interest is > pretty hard right now. If I want to find all the available roguelikes: > > cwebber@jasmine:~$ guix package -A rogue > hyperrogue 10.5 out gnu/packages/games.scm:3652:2 > roguebox-adventures 2.2.1 out gnu/packages/games.scm:1047:2 > > Hm, that's strange, there's definitely more roguelikes that should show > up than that! A more specific search is even worse: > > cwebber@jasmine:~$ guix package -A roguelike > cwebber@jasmine:~$ > > What I should have gotten back: > - angband > - cataclysm-dda > - crawl > - crawl-tiles > - hyperrogue > - nethack > - roguebox-adventures > - tome4 > > So I only got 1/4 of the entries I was interested in in my first query. > Too bad! > > I get that we're opening up space for bikeshedding and *that's true*. > But it seems like not doing so makes things hard on users. > > What do you think? Is there a way to open the (pandora's?) box of tags > safely? Yes and no. Pjotr and I have discussed this relating to biotech software. He said that many scientists have a hard time finding the right tools for the job. I proposed tight integration with wikidata[1] (every software in the world will eventually have an item there) and Guix (QID on every package and lookup/catogory integration) and leave all the categorizing to them. Ha problem sidestepped, they are bikeshedding experts over there in wikiland! :D The advantage of this is that everyone using wikidata (every package manager) could pull the same categorization so we only do it once in a central What do you think? -- Cheers Swedebugia [1] I started the work lately with bindings here https://gitlab.com/swedebugia/guile-wikidata help is welcome!