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* Building a software toolchain that works
@ 2022-03-14 19:05 Ryan Prior
  2022-03-14 20:26 ` Pjotr Prins
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread
From: Ryan Prior @ 2022-03-14 19:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Guix Devel

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I read a Twitter thread just now, which I'll link and reproduce below, that reminds me of something we're trying to build with Guix. Perhaps it'll resonate with other folks here like it did with me.

Jonathan Feinberg wrote at https://twitter.com/pheinberg/status/1503116750203797516

>I literally cannot write software outside of Google anymore. Every C++ project uses its own build engineering. There's Cmake, Ninja, bazel, configure, emsdk, etc. There is no reasonable way to make them coexist.
>
>You can use any 3rd party open source library you like, as long as you use their build, package management scheme, compiler, what have you. But you cannot then use any other open source library.You can use any 3rd party open source library you like, as long as you use their build, package management scheme, compiler, what have you. But you cannot then use any other open source library.
>
>There are 3 things that make it possible to use open source software at Google.
>1) We have 100 or so people who do nothing but work on our software building infrastructure.
>2) We have 10 or so people who do nothing but hack on toolchains.
>3) If you want to use a third-party package at Google, and it hasn't already been brought into our system, you can (well, really, must) do it yourself. You can spend the minutes/hours/days it will take to make just that one project build in our system.
>
>But, once you've done so, it will Just Work® with everything else, and the work you've done will benefit everyone.
>
>This works because there's always only one version of any particular project checked in (modulo some special snowflakes that have to apologize and explain themselves formally in special documents that live in the system with the code).
>
>But I've just tried, for the last time, to write a program outside of that system. It's too frustrating, and I'd rather write songs. This means that my Wordle (the word cloud, remember that from 2008?) will never happen again.
>
>I'll also never make anything like Python Mode for Processing again. Just trying to maintain it means many hours of downloading and configuring the latest hotness in Java versions, IDEs, build tools, etc.
>
>Not worth it. My time on Earth is too short.

I love how easy Guix makes it to build lots of tricky software, and more all the time. Thanks to everybody who's enabled this amazing work and continues to maintain it! Let's double down on that, and keep thinking of ways to improve the software toolchain for the whole world.

Cheers,
Ryan

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* Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux
@ 2022-03-25 14:20 Blake Shaw
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread
From: Blake Shaw @ 2022-03-25 14:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ludovic Courtès; +Cc: zimoun, Guix Devel, guix-maintainers

Hi,
Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes:

> Hi,
>
> zimoun <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com> skribis:
>
>> About FSDG, the arguments are exactly the same as GNU Emacs on
>> Windows. :-) No?  I mean, GNU Emacs provides a full port on Windows and
>> such port is available on the same side as other platforms on their
>> website [1].  The rationale [2]:
>>
>>         The purpose of the GNU system is to give users the freedom that
>>         proprietary software takes away from its users. Proprietary
>>         operating systems (like other proprietary programs) are an
>>         injustice, and we aim for a world in which they do not exist.
>>
>>         To improve the use of proprietary systems is a misguided
>>         goal. Our aim, rather, is to eliminate them. We include support
>>         for some proprietary systems in GNU Emacs in the hope that
>>         running Emacs on them will give users a taste of freedom and
>>         thus lead them to free themselves.
>>
>> would also make sense for GNU Guix, no?
>
> Just like the Emacs manual has an appendix on Windows support, I think
> the cookbook could have a section on setting up Guix on WSL2.
>
> Cc’ing maintainers for their thoughts!
>
> Thanks,
> Ludo’.
>

I just had a client inquire about deploying to WSL2, so it's great news
to hear that this is working!

Hopefully it will mean that as the Guix tentacles extend, the
obsolescence, redundance, inconvenience & expense of proprietary
"middleware" like Windows will become clear to users.

May Guix/Guile march forward on the path of ubiquitous extensionality! 

ez,
b

-- 
“In girum imus nocte et consumimur igni”


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2022-03-14 19:05 Building a software toolchain that works Ryan Prior
2022-03-14 20:26 ` Pjotr Prins
2022-03-14 21:40   ` David Arroyo
2022-03-15  8:19     ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-03-17  9:20       ` zimoun
2022-03-16 14:02     ` Josselin Poiret
2022-03-16 15:28       ` Ryan Prior
2022-03-16 20:13         ` Yasuaki Kudo
2022-03-17 15:35     ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-17 16:56       ` David Arroyo
2022-03-14 23:57   ` Olivier Dion via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2022-03-15  8:23     ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-03-15  8:42       ` Pjotr Prins
2022-03-15 12:32       ` Yasuaki Kudo
2022-03-17 12:56     ` zimoun
2022-03-18 21:13       ` david larsson
2022-03-18 23:59         ` Yasuaki Kudo
2022-03-19 13:02         ` Windows Subsystem for Linux zimoun
2022-03-24 21:14           ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-03-25  3:43             ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-03-25  9:04               ` Phil
2022-03-25 10:14                 ` Oliver Propst
2022-03-17 20:04   ` Building a software toolchain that works Katherine Cox-Buday
2022-03-18  6:27     ` Pjotr Prins
2022-03-18  9:10       ` Oliver Propst
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