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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1651771316; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=Hv+p0Ec8hvwVX0gl0NX8/FzS/aZFye5ZR9ZR6seEW/Q=; b=qWR7LlcegfpIdiGlB9U4XHAFkEgDM1T+YyzyKRwhka3qEspZz506COr6AdVVMUiGYwNYUj 3jtiGTL9ujshy2A1yYx/7722PrWuWfhwunJcUK6+qcU8KuzFgb5aR7KiFzt9L654cL85Cc 6N6XTeUMHX4YJFmSkcxK4zeRTHIqEz2JYd3twOBpIj6KmJ5oP1Q1AKiIl0Q+4efVnFe1pf bf/tNz4zrReJvAuKkvBC5CsHmkMCHvInpmqncai6yyUV34GHXmXPCZWVCkX4E3CR+8nJxD MUv96U8v7F1YuAgUt2nVIWr/fG4jc+diURyaW0iQvfaUSkhQbrPppWWTTBkUhw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1651771316; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=nZZaoCvKuB4rqFk7O5blcfHyEKxS59ItLkPkxnjggn9hIHSPaXGgUJdMuXomQTiuzLiP6+ wMiHZavGQe/E35jeTjk5NcUKN4TdYLO8XQwmjiXp4//IycjlwDxIZnMBUlqkst6hHO0PGi QRdqMbc4hAxDRKaiiMPNKYxOTSebuvI2vBvmioJAb22AE4+DUBxOoivSfUcMjDyjgaBDeV Lbc2TY9LJueq4kH2r33P+e4uUM5dVpnP4iGG9i7jbr5EgXhQd9tzJ+tz6Sqz65VBbiScNh O4Pzy7Hj8fkNiHWNrKanBtK3LPQbGjs0RvQSiyOmSgYUA/MzCfY36SoxfPvI6w== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=telenet.be header.s=r22 header.b=K4SSExa7; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=telenet.be; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -11.59 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=telenet.be header.s=r22 header.b=K4SSExa7; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=telenet.be; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 771B71232C X-Spam-Score: -11.59 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: mCERyN6VWEVV --=-YpBuM37lDxodMXHuv617 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Liliana Marie Prikler schreef op do 05-05-2022 om 18:31 [+0200]: > > I am not debating any legitimacy ( is not some > > government), I am discussing the reasons, and whether some of the > > features (e.g. faster profile building) can be implemented more > > generally (not Guix Home-exclusive), without manual configuration. > I think you're misunderstanding cause and effect here.=C2=A0 For small n, > O(n) =3D O(1). I'm not sure what you mean here, what cause and what effect are you referring to here? And I'm not sure what the connection between =E2=80=98f= or small n, O(n) =3D O(1)=E2=80=99 and the previous sentences is (I guess some= thing about profile building times and small profiles -> fast building, but I don't see any connection to cause and effect ...)? > If some reasons remain (e.g. tidyness of separated thematic > profiles), _those_ reasons could be a good reason for > or the like. What I'd like to avoid, is avoiding extra complexity > for the wrong reasons, and only adding it for the right reasons. > To reiterate, the primary reason for using Guix Home to manage > multiple profiles is so that we can manage multiple profiles in a > declarative manner. Multiple profiles can already be managed in a declarative manner: "guix shell -m manifest.scm". =C2=A0I'd say that Guix Home adds some impurity (=E2=80=98guix home reconfigure=E2=80=99 installs/removes/replaces some sym= links in $HOME, which is a form of mutation). Though maybe some people want to keep all their manifests together and don't mind the little extra mutation? Greetings, Maxime. --=-YpBuM37lDxodMXHuv617 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iI0EABYKADUWIQTB8z7iDFKP233XAR9J4+4iGRcl7gUCYnP+eRccbWF4aW1lZGV2 b3NAdGVsZW5ldC5iZQAKCRBJ4+4iGRcl7tlwAP42S6dxC5PBtI9/JOSf8orVJntM /vD+oXithRrtUnMZHAD/c7AQqsb9sBYAzrc36tAgQvJnWuXFcEbWAQqk3xnimwg= =GFav -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-YpBuM37lDxodMXHuv617--