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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.18 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx13.migadu.com X-Spam-Score: -2.18 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 5D87439609 X-TUID: 3SEzbDDDM51F Hello, Am Sat, Dec 09, 2023 at 11:54:59AM +0100 schrieb Ludovic Courtès: > I think this underlines a collective failure to get our act together. indeed, and besides what Simon mentioned about the bank situation I think there was a certain lack of consistency between deciding on the technical and on the financial questions. And of course the lack of urgency, since anyway things continued thanks to Chris... So thank you for all you have done, Chris, and thank you for taking action now to force us to get our act together! Indeed QA has become a central part of our project infrastructure. I suggest the following, which resolves the lockstep between technology and finance: - Decide that the funds at the FSF pay for the hosting in its current form. Ideally move the billing to Guix Foundation, and then, as we use to do for bayfront, periodically ask the FSF to reimburse the hosting cost. I think we have an informal consensus for this, and just require a formal vote at the Guix spending committee and at the Guix Foundation SAC. - Reimburse Chris for the costs incurred for hosting before this move. As Simon has said, we have a vote for this already, but could also start over with the exact amount once the first point is handled, so that Chris does not pay for future hosting any more. Then in a separate step, other people can discuss about potential technical changes to the hosting situation. It would probably be good to have a small group of people, including Chris at least for a transitory period, who take care of the sysadmin part. Any thoughts on this proposal? Andreas