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Cc: Katherine Cox-Buday Subject: Re: How can we decrease the cognitive overhead for contributors? Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.233.100.1; envelope-from=andreas@enge.fr; helo=hera.aquilenet.fr X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Scanner: mx2.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.71 X-Spam-Score: -4.71 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 1850F57BCC X-TUID: TMOnNNNDeXx/ Hello, Am Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 10:27:31AM -0700 schrieb Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.: > > I can't ever seem to get the GNU style commit messages correct. > Neither can I. The style apparently helps with automated maintenance > of the changelog, but I do not understand why a changelog is useful > for a rolling release model. personally, I find them super helpful to grep through commit messages to find changes, like when a file was touched for the last time (now I think that git wizards will have a better solution; but you get the idea). Or when a package was added. Or updated to a specific version. I have ended up adopting the style for all of my other coding projects as well because I find it so useful. For simple updates, there is etc/committer.scm. I use it for package updates. It would be nice if it could handle more cases, such as removing patches. > > I don't use the email-based patch workflow day-to-day > Yeah, I can deal with small inline patches, but Guix requires changes > to be split into many tiny commits. This is explained here: https://guix.gnu.org/de/manual/devel/en/html_node/Sending-a-Patch-Series.html I also cannot remember what to do when there is more than one patch, so I follow this approach every time. (Well, this is a white lie; mostly I propose single patches or work in a branch...) All in all, I think better tooling will be welcome (but is not a joy to write). Am Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 10:25:58AM -0600 schrieb Katherine Cox-Buday: > * Contributing to Guix is not for you > * It's OK to make lots of mistakes Definitely "no" to the first one, and "yes" to the second one! I think that even when one only contributes from time to time, but regularly, habits will form and mistakes disappear. > * We could support a managed web-based workflow I am all for it if it supplements the email based workflow (every time I need to do a modern style pull request type action, I am completely out of my depths and lost in the web interfaces...). But someone would have to write and maintain them... > * Encourage upstream communities like "Guix 'R Us" Why not, but they also require management (adjusting the schedules of several busy people, for instance). Andreas