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Well, we can certainly remove a few hopeless, outdated, non-maintained broken packages. But if we start to remove packages such as wget, and Java, and Haskell, and much of R, and big chunks of Python, for i686, this amounts to removing the architecture altogether. It is a decision we may want to take at some point in time, but we should not do so casually. And definitely not in this core-updates merge. One argument for keeping i686 was that problems there were often indicative of problems in "more exotic" architectures, whereas i686 is relatively easy to build on x86_64 without specific (often slow) hardware. I am not sure if this still holds for the 32 bit problems we have seen recently; so there is a certain argument to make for removing the 32 bit architectures i686 and armhf (x86_64 will soon celebrate its 25th birthday, aarch64 is half as old; I do not expect much hardware for the corresponding 32 bit architectures to be around any more). Andreas