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That sounds like > >> a > >> recipe for a poor user experience, no? > > > > The mainline Emacs is not Wayland-native, but it (along with just > > about everything else) will run fine under XWayland. It's how I've > > been running it for some time now. The user experience is almost > > indistinguishable from either the =E2=80=98pgtk=E2=80=99 branch or the = mainline, > > X-only branch. > > > >> (FWIW folks like me who use exwm, ratpoison, or one of these geeky > >> tiling window managers probably can=E2=80=99t switch.) > > > > This is correct, but I don't see why this should prevent Guix offering > > the option for Wayland-based compositors/window-managers out of the > > box as all it does is offer more options for users. >=20 > Sure. >=20 > > Unless I'm misunderstanding something, I don't believe that setting > > the =E2=80=98wayland=E2=80=99 flag to #t in gdm-configuration causes Wa= yland to be > > used for your desktop environment, it merely *allows* it to be > > selected from the greeter. When logging in you can select from Gnome > > under X, Gnome under Wayland, or other window managers you may have > > installed under either environment. Without that flag only the X11 > > window managers will be selectable. >=20 > OK, I wasn=E2=80=99t aware of that; if setting =E2=80=98wayland?=E2=80=99= to #t is this smooth > and basically indistinguishable for those who want to stick with X, then > I guess we should enable it. >=20 > I=E2=80=99m still unsure whether doing is before the release is reasonabl= e, > given how much we have on our plate. >=20 > Thanks, > Ludo=E2=80=99. I think the only real question is what shows up first by default in a fresh install. I believe by default SDDM will show the window manager that was last used by default. My current OS config, when I spin it up in a VM, lists enlightenment/wayland before enlightenment/X11. 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