From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp10.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms5.migadu.com with LMTPS id mKUsDlT8nmJCUAEAbAwnHQ (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 07 Jun 2022 09:20:52 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp10.migadu.com with LMTPS id 2DpJDVT8nmKCkAAAG6o9tA (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 07 Jun 2022 09:20:52 +0200 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DEA31A283 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2022 09:20:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:47060 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nyTWD-0000rn-AW for larch@yhetil.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2022 03:20:51 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47638) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nyTNH-0005LA-1E for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2022 03:11:36 -0400 Received: from flashner.co.il ([178.62.234.194]:59524) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nyTNE-0007om-44; Tue, 07 Jun 2022 03:11:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (unknown [141.226.14.232]) by flashner.co.il (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0F69C406A6; Tue, 7 Jun 2022 07:10:55 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2022 10:08:44 +0300 From: Efraim Flashner To: Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= Cc: Brian Cully , GNU Guix maintainers , guix-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: On commit access, patch review, and remaining healthy Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= , Brian Cully , GNU Guix maintainers , guix-devel@gnu.org References: <87ee07m77w.fsf@gnu.org> <87ee06g5s4.fsf@ditto.jhoto.spork.org> <87czfpilmn.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="p2POyAj6Vg/iJrip" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87czfpilmn.fsf@gnu.org> X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x41AAE7DCCA3D8351 X-PGP-Key: https://flashner.co.il/~efraim/efraim_flashner.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: A28B F40C 3E55 1372 662D 14F7 41AA E7DC CA3D 8351 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=178.62.234.194; envelope-from=efraim@flashner.co.il; helo=flashner.co.il X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1654586451; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post; bh=ikI+sJQJkPlOMTetLCCGgooUeGoE5/jQNQ0jNxvY4Bo=; b=FEkUnPQzL2zC5eFbNFnZMIvd8bngOxpjezMmsdtJsYxC1QDr33SwhN+xold2KJbx1UTucp yaVH34pF5ktN9CEzdFwG1toVmdzM9bDWF5LJxHM5yq+kLTVAvESjeCXcjtYYkhHm/vZS4K GrBrUGHBfVSDKJ0BExtCOQ2algUbEGIOdJL0/LvD3CVGL/YORckPENQDkkenNlpCHwSJRl 0yrm7tIP9yoOND9aqCnuqNSKM/P3UYvN4M28cwhX0nw0U9UPj3lwvuS8fnK4dqGBMNydHX XfavuKOlLzg4o4/bkwcsNUgRp0rzvLjM/zy7YqFnftJNYl3DZ3wwbShmZg5AOw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1654586451; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=E70RvGQeKSgO6SUbTfnWSnGo5ZfN2Ih0rrgfWwAZ9KVVPyr/GdHHXdpbCZYRv0Gx3lGZ3X 6ZhfCcVnMbEjkKD/5zL7KMJhZBmNhfZiFA5zlsDzpEfe0EajTO6VBbhupwgzbods3q1CZb DTVfJlfMNXfPiFcKEwjoZG80mHIOEtIkw4f3C/17CBzATWXh3mnLayebG+0htg3+NOUy4E HlX785JlCBm+IvQIOXJErWZhKZESkjtU+c/mxVAnjQ1EhiaEdhbdYtQZoGjM9OzHuoCp2a yxY49zX5trURyvhForKcKtD/iMc1xJcbQDwi1ewjTQkBcgsygHggiA7fbsYNHg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.21 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: DEA31A283 X-Spam-Score: -5.21 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: qQmCgavIBIJh --p2POyAj6Vg/iJrip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jun 03, 2022 at 09:37:36PM +0200, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote: > Hi, >=20 > Brian Cully skribis: >=20 > > Ludovic Court=C3=A8s writes: > > > >> If you are using Emacs, does debbugs.el have > >> shortcomings that make it a problem to review patches? >=20 > To be clear, the question was directed primarily at current committers. >=20 > > 1) It=E2=80=99d be nice if =E2=80=98M-x debbug-guix=E2=80=99 existed. I= (briefly) looked at > > making such a command, thinking it=E2=80=99d be relatively straight-for= ward to > > just copy =E2=80=98debbugs-gnu=E2=80=99 and tweak some variables, but w= hen it looked > > like it was going to take more than 10 minutes just to figure out how > > it was all put together I gave up as I can=E2=80=99t really dedicate ti= me to > > it right now. >=20 > Try: C-u M-x debbugs-gnu. From there you can choose =E2=80=98guix=E2=80= =99, > =E2=80=98guix-patches=E2=80=99, or anything else (info "(guix) Debbugs Us= er > Interfaces"). >=20 > > 2) IMHO, the documentation for debbugs is pretty poor. It mostly > > relies on GNUS documentation for things like mode help; and while this > > makes sense, GNUS is a big, complex package (which is why I use mu4e > > instead of it), and it really raises the barrier for understanding > > debbugs quite a lot. >=20 > I find the Debbugs User Guide, plus the docstrings and all, to be good > (info "(debbugs-ug) Top"). >=20 > I use Gnus though so maybe there are issues I just don=E2=80=99t experien= ce. >=20 > > 3) Even after reading all the documentation I could find, it doesn=E2= =80=99t > > seem to work very well for an issue-tracker workflow. I still don=E2=80= =99t > > know how to simply reply to a ticket. Let alone how to apply a patch > > to my tree (I did see documentation for how to do that to the Emacs > > source tree, but that=E2=80=99s not very useful =E2=80=94 also, the key= combinations > > feel very obtuse and hard for me to remember). > > > > So, right now, I just use it to browse, since I find it easier than > > mumi, but everything else happens with external tools. It=E2=80=99s very > > possible my n00b is showing right now and it=E2=80=99s easier to work w= ith > > than it seems at first blush, but I=E2=80=99d say that means the docume= ntation > > needs some dedicated, non-GNUS-oriented love. It would be very helpful > > if there were a HOWTO, like we used to do in the old days, with how to > > use it for simple tasks, and stick it in the info documentation and on > > the web. >=20 > Interesting. Since I already used Gnus before, I didn=E2=80=99t have muc= h to > learn when I started using debbugs.el. >=20 > I know some people here use debbugs.el with other email clients like > mu4e, so perhaps they can comment? We could add guidance in the manual. As someone who has never used debbugs or emacs I find it daunting to try to add it into my workflow. Currently I am subscribed to guix-patches and I dump it into my guix-devel mailing list. I read my mail using mutt and will just pipe the patches to git to apply them and try them out that way. After years and years of this I'm pretty happy with this aspect of my workflow, but finding older patches can be more challenging. 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