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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, 51845-done@debbugs.gnu.org, Liliana Marie Prikler Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1639315312; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post; bh=eAZkykznjjB42QAv2ATb4j5FASCv1XWJdmtdo9qDqeI=; b=FKz5sqNiVJm6ENbUH5iAZJUA3znkDWcXEwQOl3yPkoISFzpKmAvBj+NEMSo3xFGq4phbrD JMdGbhzRxEJbLDzO6PV6T+ULy2cAkHknjpogSnZEMdpp8JeH61/7X5+8nxFcJ0+JPMGbCY 2k3xlzch8MvdULRfY2JhcnYiqIObhwWLTIazsZmpoecXPmTI49ekGzYQ8B4pO5PBUfudQS AIiURELKe9XnjKSaujE6VkccAE+00UMC0p7wliI8gshC0qu6S/SURt6lRLZFo3Cu10krKZ E9aWnCbAnyuAT0nCtaRiMoI28NSnY7rawuZXpdxhKkgsDrqvYZegSl1Wv7LBew== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1639315312; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=BtFm5ai+C0rlbTZzKYAPtNEdCpnfwbIeiZrIObsMarHQVfOVLv03imWRRpRvXSCqZWJDQt N3rhIjuDZWF3HDIsuDrXba+r0s5toJMoqlC6m+9jm4XwF7/m8vTbca9iCnz/ywdOIEYYYt hXw//y+z45R/HpCmt+ceFU6Yzy5dr5L49QGJGYmYD1KCVqzq5sbKTC8/dA+f+FGaG9Td6a Bc8wiJnBnUMyhJHBWLlW0WW4mYcY5xaS8gQfxATD0TS6OaSFMTHwKmJws5cPFzwkc6MRGo xtJNidiQl42mf3QIvhMhsO+jp/r4w4+IabqnpjGlC4CdcFmGIvqpeYEzGgRtSQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.06 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 9CF9C1BD6 X-Spam-Score: -3.06 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: mt4Nfw0Ir2cc --TtW3LJTJLY6xF5YL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Dec 08, 2021 at 02:36:11PM +0000, Ricardo Wurmus wrote: >=20 > Ludovic Court=C3=A8s writes: >=20 > > Hello! > > > > For the record, this is a followup to Efraim=E2=80=99s proposal in > > . > > > > Efraim Flashner skribis: > > > >> Option 1: > >> Track down the ~220 crates which form the dependency graph (of crates) > >> for librsvg and pin them until the next core-updates cycle. Continue > >> like with other packages and add newer versions (like cmake or meson) = as > >> packages need them.=C2=B9 > > > > The advantage of this approach is that we could do it incrementally: we > > could merge =E2=80=98core-updates-frozen=E2=80=99 today and just add pi= nned variants of > > these 200+ crates as needed as time passes. The downside is that it=E2= =80=99s a > > lot of crates to take care of, and we might still accidentally overlook > > seemingly innocuous crate upgrades that end up causing major rebuilds. > > > >> Option 2: > >> Use the bundled crates and treat it as just part of the librsvg source > >> code.=C2=B2 > >> > >> Option 2b: > >> Use the bundled crates for now to finish with core-updates-frozen and > >> revisit this immediately on core-updates (not frozen). > > > > This option will involved a rebuild on x86_64, but the advantage is that > > we=E2=80=99ll be safe going forward: we won=E2=80=99t accidentally caus= e world rebuilds > > just because an obscure crate somewhere has been upgraded. > > > > [...] > > > >> I'm currently leaning option 2b, it'll get us past this hurdle for > >> core-updates-frozen and let us make changes to the crates as we work to > >> integrate them more fully into Guix. > > > > Same here; it=E2=80=99s not ideal, but it seems like the most reasonable > > short-term option. > > > > If there are no objections, I=E2=80=99d suggest that you go ahead with = this > > plan. >=20 > I agree that 2b is the most sensible option in our current situation. Patches pushed to core-updates-frozen. I added a TODO to fix the situation. 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