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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1636385338; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=PSVAyTbmbQu4SREm2FXBLyiWcyfYeIC3GzWrcftJpWY=; b=Tq5FT+PKz8W1luReQuEqbN6rLYhhMfNFj2br4KOK4Rv3+vt1PaEDQr2phX+c0Jr/crMtgZ PqJ530HuQVzpbG51Wt0pkpci1wwnG6KIq9IPPugiJ9bmPagKJWTU/gaxmLa8mwWQXtkdxF 9AE0aQIz1qXQ9fFg7uNXo/O+QaXMuyAqFZGYzZnoXVQg4N6Y33X7J8W6aDx6hEKcKUTYLf B3OrXXpjDpmEiKjs5Ppk7kqHpDVsFepIMHhxPFhC+MiYfvkO3piqOPySSsYHy5pye68Z2J HAJT5SIk+6Cch5rnCbcm80i461B6LBwh9/fU8M2bpFCBA4LDXa217JXSfYYJEg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1636385338; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=RnyEhhrTHbdmXBwp+VAfFijOeBe7jJ7N/6DwpCnR/N7BXltRvjKHtoZvXUcKkn6YyQj3wm D+n7lVed2QnqT4mDADmgvxNzcK9OMDV0kTPqzDj0TmsVd2dJ673hTWzHuFtc9j0OjzcuiH gTMT3+tobj60b1+RA/cs3TJYg2EBs7kd1Vut0nlR1iczdeZpopjZRl3P7KQuXR8nRBXYxl 7uhYzLUJPuqcl0mI1d//TTv127gUIvTXvS/vy3krWTH3xB1PLZitxHUmQx0jwSDfdol4ML XhJVlA3Ppp18/GmOOVZgtayzcXKt+naCY0k/QiFfa+hQ34ApQTtCj8sRL9BE9A== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=famulari.name header.s=mesmtp header.b=r0L1qBEI; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm1 header.b=SlFlbMn5; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 0.08 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=famulari.name header.s=mesmtp header.b=r0L1qBEI; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm1 header.b=SlFlbMn5; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: DDBB13F159 X-Spam-Score: 0.08 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: xCOAGiMpWazQ On Mon, Nov 08, 2021 at 10:58:40AM +0100, Tanguy LE CARROUR wrote: > Just to make sure I don't ask any other stupid questions in the future, > where am I supposed to get this information from? I mean, I checked > `guix-devel` before posting, but could not find any mention to this topic. You have to deduce it based on some knowledge about what kind of packages can be updated on the master branch and what kind of packages cannot be updated there. The key criterion for updating packages on master is how many dependent packages they have. Basically, to update something on the master branch, it should have less than 300 transitive dependents. This is described in item 8 of the manual section Submitting Patches: https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Submitting-Patches.html Based on that knowledge, you can do `guix refresh --list-dependent python`, and it will tell you "Building the following 6357 packages would ensure 13585 dependent packages are rebuilt: [...]". So, it's not something we can change on the master branch, and it is a candidate for core-updates. Then, you can check out the core-updates branch and see if the update has been performed there. As we are in the final stages of the core-updates cycle, there is also a core-updates-frozen branch, and even a core-updates-frozen-batched-changes branch... to learn about those, you'd have to ask on IRC or guix-devel. I hope that helps!