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Since both patch > series, and branches are used to propose changes, I think this makes > sense. I agree with this analysis and this was always something that bugged me about Patchwork: That it knew about patch series (most of the time), but seemed to operate on individual patches only. > - Then there's the general UI component, ideally a first time > contributor would be able to take advantage of automatic feedback > about a patch they submit. There's multiple other groups of users > though, like patch reviewers, and committers for example. > […] > The UI part is much less certain, I've done some work with Patchwork, > and I do have some ideas in mind, but there's still more thinking and > work to do in this area. This is the main problem right now: UI. As a reviewer I need the following information about a changeset: 1 Is anyone else reviewing it already and what were the comments? (Do I need to take a look at it?) 2 Which packages/components are affected? (Do I have the knowledge to review this changeset?) 3 Are there any obvious issues with it? (Does it pass linting? Does it build? Can it be rebased onto master without conflicts?) 4 Where can I pull the changeset from to do further tests? (Patch-over-email is super-fragile, from encoding/newline issues to merging problems) 5 Who is the contributor? (Does he/she have commit access or do I have to commit on his behalf?) I also want to subscribe to certain changesets (new comments, new versions, …) and filter them to find those, where I can actually help. And debbugs certainly can’t provide any of this. I believe it would be wise not to spend too much time to recreate what GitLab/gitea/GitHub/… do already and just use them to our advantage, filling the holes with bridges/bots to some CI infrastructure (it does not matter whether this is Cuirass, Chris’ build coordinator, the Data Service, … – we just have to be able to get the data in and out somehow). Cheers, Lars