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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, 47615@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1621849909; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post; bh=24URDco/0drnbIgNCtHLoIJKxzCkjOnoRqQarTlR36Y=; b=Ut4/fow9PaajDSu63jqquPTY9jfaU5kvu7DW/FNF4x0z+OKr1u9lH2Ya3krp3JnhfZKfYg KKlRYqOL51ND23MInb4UsokDP7KrlV2SLSXVQwT58eC+fxQn6fWcXC/rjLmYtjFbzyYNY9 frj800jvdfPPYscXqJw295F3qZXC+NsChm/feMfS6muS7EjBNvuTTP039TgmlkG1RS0xJ0 nA4yqV9OZw0xxR3PyuROMz2NVngBSyolnb+qoaExlqRkqw+9GUDzAJhCqbZzQuSZaJ3G9S /lDX+zcAp5LnqjPBNHXdwHnszQuGeOHE//F7eSkU/6fdH5LEXeUthLi3p6Wn6w== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1621849909; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=SaEmg7sOe3OhXpj2sB5X95DbyW9d5kfFGXfOuWeqzcbVTS+tCZz2QLLN/OSuUrKanLDB2C s6PQxjILlPFb+dwdJ8HxQYI4hWX1u/7wUyd1CM0wpSQ83gWU9+O5mOmUYQVGkgQT6SYbZR zb3+OG95NEbaIqD3N7uLV1m8de6AZAfsAc89fl/ASQsTchvsvj0FNWfXSwgaotXXa5nCEJ 6ptzXTwDzcHJnEU9T1C+RfEcCscLg6CGbiT6MHzLko/0hQ73NuEOT7sjBFr355EsXI0hVu X+m+8TnwrjbLJ+LjXf1IGb8skmkXD8/wYuHsRuPVoYonrtpu4L8Vi/kVCJUKDQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.54 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 9E7D119331 X-Spam-Score: -2.54 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: KY81Xqfl37yv --Q7WRuKW0pw3NCP4V Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 10:24:03PM +0200, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote: > Hi! >=20 > Efraim Flashner skribis: >=20 > > How about changing the mips64el documentation to say that there is > > minimal support for the two architectures, with no substitutes, and may > > be fun for tinkerers with the hardware. Then we could also change the > > check in the guix.m4 to add mips64el-linux as supported in case anyone > > does actually want to play with it. >=20 > No, not as =E2=80=9Csupported=E2=80=9D, I surely don=E2=80=99t want to de= al with mips64el-linux > bugs. :-) >=20 > > Current text: > > > > @item mips64el-linux (deprecated)=C2=AC > > little-endian 64-bit MIPS processors, specifically the Loongson series, > > n32 ABI, and Linux-Libre kernel. This configuration is no longer fully > > supported; in particular, there is no ongoing work to ensure that this > > architecture still works. Should someone decide they wish to revive th= is > > architecture then the code is still available. > > > > Proposed text: > > > > @item Alternative architectures > > In addition to architectures which are actually supported there are a > > few formally unsupported architectures which may be of interested to > > tinkerers. Namely mips64el-linux, little-endian 64-bit MIPS processors, > > specifically the Loongson series, n32 ABI, and powerpc-linux, big-endian > > 32-bit POWER processors, specifically the PowerPC 74xx series. There are > > no installation tarballs, substitutes or promises that these > > architectures are functional. > > > > And then I'd move it lower than the powerpc64le-linux entry. >=20 Ah, I didn't see your email. > Maybe it=E2=80=99s more readable to keep it as a bullet list, like: >=20 > @item mips64el-linux (@emph{unsupported}) > =E2=80=A6 >=20 > @item powerpc-linux (@emph{unsupported}) > =E2=80=A6 >=20 > with a sentence explaining what =E2=80=9Cunsupported=E2=80=9D means. That was kind-of my idea with grouping them together > IMO guix.m4 should either require --with-courage or emit a prominent > warning for these. >=20 > WDYT? >=20 > Thanks, > Ludo=E2=80=99. >=20 The problem then becomes whoever tinkers with it will have to keep either a custom guix.m4 for their guix package or a custom guix package with "--with-courage" as a configure-flag. --=20 Efraim Flashner =D7=90=D7=A4=D7=A8=D7=99=D7=9D = =D7=A4=D7=9C=D7=A9=D7=A0=D7=A8 GPG key =3D A28B F40C 3E55 1372 662D 14F7 41AA E7DC CA3D 8351 Confidentiality cannot be guaranteed on emails sent or received unencrypted --Q7WRuKW0pw3NCP4V Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCgAdFiEEoov0DD5VE3JmLRT3Qarn3Mo9g1EFAmCrdwcACgkQQarn3Mo9 g1EJCg//ULtWMQ/menADSK4L37jdKJK26at1CHgEH+hRyEeI675wYLM6JkQiCXBt cNiE0D/eZKk+Yo+B/cbuAHQve8M2mxMwNuGxTFrKJnbQlAvT2DzzfiLAPgTSvD2a PLXzPPA/rChPYK6oZyqHBIs47wRHVBj39PzfZpNJbYyIiXZbN6lHBlFOHbVAoQ31 jvS8CXpWJL2x47IkY77qfIWgpNGRJWRpOiyV2XXoWHnG03dsjNoCfzOgq9ryZCfy UfIYnOBm3yvaKBYBHmXTSoi9fg/d+xpiQuLkJWyAFlixfhhefO+/zW5c1C+LU/6o sOnxF4/USCCraPLspcVfY7hFf7rap2XfuK+SypKM8sFX8aNdvRjyPEjUNdoPewC3 NxydEvR6KvfKoCDwLR9HPQ5XAecWJK7PFuhpy2EW3KnGWw1aYzvLGu6fuDUe7Hrk A6oXg0C2HprKlaI7O15F6SpneH0dYvaIrTPo35ynyvKTGn+H2NG5RmOPckaIzOj/ IH14pNrh2fTjW03+KUM59HiKz7U7ft+IwM7RlkOeLiiZUptkjoaG3MQmfv/AJQrY X6X+OeXEadAKnuVKYmlCal4aJKswLC11/cC2EADg6oVB+PQ0bJsD0uI/TVrkSk/t 0JkC4oniB4GxDSWMEU9hfzCVzy6egjRV4lmc2H7hTWLNb9OXuEQ= =oQIf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Q7WRuKW0pw3NCP4V--