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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Guix Devel Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1619632549; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=ZKZgAPrPefJT6KyPq0aIZEMqarL9n2JcjTRWSdoCpBo=; b=LGGBEbQ7IQfevYAIJXFJBK4S0WvFMwyx1sm3SUjBPyD5m3kdK2AkFQIsM0p/Bo5gGRtaY/ Y93yQtAuATpyYhgfL89pKSOzMkvGpDT9TKhnXSg8WcUKXQTaQguFA1t3AGq5xzA30pN3e0 29Qy4FF+ujnS/QWk+pr1j8/ibzDCYXb2g5pyG611w01JYO9aOlqplyZeYbazQlMRN2wCZi tzLgxGKb0AIicz3SK9Gbs4SF2Xs6x+nHVXJrzyUV4rWGCIQMrFX/PfBPGP9/J6IrN4nW3z yOLOuOb774Xy3O+g2uW/N27pGoOEzGRwbdAk/KayruZZ9zYR3aTmXHZ20hnppA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1619632549; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=maHZSQFuEjYQPq8pIsN1AQ9umeRq8SHJpVUc0L84+NIvltGXepEQtAQkJS7SqVm86uZRTv UNY02kHdlTin6YCFDpASVLGY0MUu4WsFLCeoIqBGeURikEWbl04Y7Yj+IdlAvEQbgzds2Y /KMNB3tu50IS5oiuFrUXSetZJGkSiRQKZiN7jKDPsEpZgzy2IlokkaMULioas6NcCNvw78 oTpe3cvGiPbCqbf1pRAJgjnp9ILhINtq+r6UhNY/M5Lb7blwUOxeuy6Mjmy9iBzZjzq71p p4BtTUXrSyxARaMJ4aqIWRNmqcS9fSmDyL97MBJUn9YaJrsRTVDIUaG6+SRA2g== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=famulari.name header.s=mesmtp header.b=j6O05IHe; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm2 header.b="hd5QFKk/"; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.65 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=famulari.name header.s=mesmtp header.b=j6O05IHe; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm2 header.b="hd5QFKk/"; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 39A57B5D3 X-Spam-Score: -2.65 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: MhoIv46ylkzD On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 12:43:53PM -0400, Mark H Weaver wrote: > I'm sorry if this comes off as obtuse, but having now re-read all of my > messages in this thread, I honestly do not see what I did wrong here. > I will need some help to understand. It's common advice that managers and leaders should "praise in public and criticize in private". Assuming that the goal of the criticism is to improve somebody's work, and it must be done in public, then criticism must be carefully calibrated to avoid making them feel defensive, humiliated, and angry. It was correct to point out these mistakes in public but, based on the result, I conclude that your message was not calibrated well. The beginning of this email discussion began by naming a perpretrator and pointing out that it was part of a pattern of mistakes, rather than focusing on the mistake. The next part said, "Behold [...]". As a native USA English speaker, I claim that we only use "Behold" ironically and sarcastically. The message ended by casting aspersions on Raghav's status in Guix. At no point did you concretely describe the problem, or try to teach Raghav what the solution was, or try to explain the correct workflow regarding security updates. You should have sent a message that explained the problem and tried to teach the solution. I've seen you do it many times before; I don't know why you sent that sarcastic and mean message instead.