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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1615938612; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=8CEBQbKEQGjIU2KthVDBXJrJN3Ofl8y+ayL8Qxe7scg=; b=gx6gresjX7l/sr058rjR+seNbUuFm3O/eIQaZOo4PflsxEVxjvAbe7l4/QI0FKFnbOSwSS /61OL21xdyz1evCTX2puT6ag+vDILVsnAcMNLcdMu6YBwEiFzTYI74gth8ByqYvte67hHn dhXRome1QZGugSIoXSl6NDXG/vtEFdcJ+CmVFxNGxy7n0Bm6xLyV95xsZjR2KVyZ0fxtkV F/HEUTUpz36UqkuFA3Ri4+Isk3XZlSZchOVz5b6KwFVqGIz1myrJi/dahVKs5GiODJDrBh WsURNOTa3yEhxPqAvWfI8ktnSZw35IHkzIV/0L/m4LVh/+rgJ0Xdul/fp3r82A== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1615938612; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=fOW8nGleiWLoPkY3Av19GUmo2wjzx8QCEU/1dSWqFB2HHhJ5NjVwcsibVj2KqjKkcXOdtm dcfZyeF0vXapI5KVqGxgG+bl71hDiJVyGuep4FirsAQJixhbFE/c/0l0tUV5zleTezBpCZ RCszrTd05W43mBP/vxTeBIJZfnlbMYC19YLWDdTSl2PZMrjQ3d1UY7CIHWk1kiLsFeLK0E xpaGedqFcDUx80U+Pu5LJUM5lz6h/wyhlIFzIckngM6j7BGvEDjtYyXa74HAG604kYviLV ofxe6I+v7jZFEQUPfEeKn/1dBnt34dPap6nCtrikz0o5y3FJin6QZAWR56qoFA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=famulari.name header.s=mesmtp header.b=bckRMw7S; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm2 header.b=salc0dJ5; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.40 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=famulari.name header.s=mesmtp header.b=bckRMw7S; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm2 header.b=salc0dJ5; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 6969815A5D X-Spam-Score: -1.40 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: TaSdqcv36c5y On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 07:19:59PM -0400, Mark H Weaver wrote: > Ultimately, I gave up. In my opinion, Guix has never achieved usability > as a desktop system on non-Intel systems. Therefore, the Guix community > is unable to attract many developers who want a distro that supports > non-Intel systems well. Our community has thus become dominated by > Intel users, and there's unsufficient political will to adopt policies > that would enable us to provide a usable system for non-Intel users. > > What do you think? Thanks, as always, for your well-reasoned message. Your story of your experience here, and what it means for Guix, computing security, and free software in general, is really valuable. I still think it's really unfortunate for the rest of us that you gave up, but I don't see how it could have gone differently. I agree with you that Guix moves too fast to support non-Intel architectures in its current state. My hope is that, within the next two years, there will be workstation aarch64 machines more widely available at comparable prices to Intel/AMD, and this will translate into more developer support for aarch64 in the years after that. Time will tell.