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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.56 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=famulari.name header.s=mesmtp header.b=PwTveBi6; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm1 header.b=rXQDdX4a; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 744A49402A2 X-Spam-Score: -2.56 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: mN1n+fIaTYyp On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 09:44:17AM +0100, Mathieu Othacehe wrote: > Your weather summary is a great idea, thanks! As I said in my previous > email, the armhf substitutes are not built right now on the CI. It's > really sad but we have to make an impossible choice between: Specifically about armhf, if anybody wants to use it with Guix, I hope they will speak up. I would have expected to hear from users that they were not getting any substitutes. I think we should monitor the volume of substitute requests per platform and see how big the demand for armhf Guix really is. Although there is a huge amount of armhf hardware deployed, Guix seems a very poor fit for it. There is almost no armhf hardware that is suitable for a build-from-source distro in terms of performance, thermal design and suitable storage (SD cards will not last for unless you pay a huge amount for the absolute highest quality). Binary distros like Trisquel are a much better option for armhf. All that is not a reason to not support armhf, but if nobody is using it, then we should officially deprecate it, and not leave it in this in-between state.