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I am a bit hesitant to let more breakages in :) It looks like we have reached the Debian trap: releases/core-update merges happen so infrequently that people become desperate to get their favourite update in, which causes build failures, which delay the release cycle, da capo ad infinitum. Personally I would prefer to freeze now, then to let other big changes (mesa for instance) happen in a feature branch; if all goes well, it could be merged a week or two later, if it breaks things, it will anyway take the time it needs to fix them. Andreas