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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Guix-devel Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.31 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail (headers rsa verify failed) header.d=famulari.name header.s=mesmtp header.b=cTsCKOkb; dkim=fail (headers rsa verify failed) header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm1 header.b=URgG7M9p; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 46E96940438 X-Spam-Score: -1.31 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: +2w74kdjcE8b On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 03:03:16PM -0500, Mark H Weaver wrote: > So, it's still a mathematical function (assuming all packages build > deterministically), but not necessarily the same function as if normal > upgrades had been done instead of grafts. That's the main issue with > grafts that I'm aware of. I agree, it's not a violation of the functional packaging model in a strict sense.