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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.03 X-Spam-Score: -1.03 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 35297654C8 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx12.migadu.com X-TUID: NF+OSipllcji > > i stopped rebasing my shepherd commits. abandoning them does feel like > > an enormous waste, but i'm cutting my losses at this point. > > > You were probably right to do so. > > From what I remember, Ludo' did not like debugging statements all over > the place. There was a disconnect that prevented a productive > cooperation between Ludo' and you. well, unless i lack some occult knowledge, the observability of shepherd is= lacking badly. this is a major hindrance every time i try to debug an unex= pected behavior, even as day-to-day sysadmin work. my contribution made that substantially better, or at least so i believe, b= ut the only feedback i got was that the log statements are "baroque"... whi= le the logs are only part of the entire patchset that also contains extensi= ve changes to compartmentalize exceptions and with that make shepherd much = more resilient. and these are not random hacks of passion. they were driven by real world s= ituations while i was working on my service code. > Also, Ludo' is probably getting ready to cut 1.0 at this point and turn > the Shepherd over to someone for Goblins and actor enhancements. The > code base may depart even further. > > It may not have been a waste, however. One day your understanding of > the Shepherd's internals may help you to offer features the maintainer > is excited about! well, that assumes that my motivation is not affected by past encounters...= but i have a principle that until error handling, observability, and thus = debuggability of a project is good enough, i refuse to work on anything els= e, because i'll just waste my time in inefficient and frustrating debugging= sessions. and given that my patches were ignored that improve the above mentioned pro= perties, let alone that they were recorded while i was working my way towar= ds an actual fix for an actual bug... that leaves me with little motivation= to hack on shepherd at this point. -- =E2=80=A2 attila lendvai =E2=80=A2 PGP: 963F 5D5F 45C7 DFCD 0A39 -- =E2=80=9CApplicants must also have extensive knowledge of Unix, although th= ey should have sufficiently good programming taste to not consider this an = achievement.=E2=80=9D =09=E2=80=94 Hal Abelson (1947=E2=80=93), MIT job advertisement