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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.85 X-Spam-Score: -4.85 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 0F55D35E60 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx12.migadu.com X-TUID: JAEPp/x85Ala > > FWIW, this commit policy has always bothered me as a newcomer to > > Guix. pretty much everywhere else it's a major offence against your > > colleagues to commit something that breaks the build in any way. >=20 >=20 > In the last few months I=E2=80=99ve repeatedly seen assertions in a simil= ar > style as this one. They always genuinely surprise me, and it=E2=80=99s pr= obably > not just because I=E2=80=99m oblivious and out of touch. well, both point of views are reasonable. they just make different tradeoff= s. i think an abstraction is missing here, let's call it guix log for this mai= l. it's something like the git log, but one that lists the buildable and su= bstitutable states of the guix repo. it's probably the same thing that causes the discrepancy between git commit= s and substitutes: the build servers are not building every commit of the g= it repo. they pick an unpredictable (?) series of commits, skipping some in= between. if i guix pull, or guix time-machine to the "wrong" commit, then i= 'll need to build some stuff locally. sometimes these can be heavy packages= . this hypothetical 'guix log' is probably also what's missing between a hypo= thetical staging branch and master, whose role would be to make sure that c= ommits don't reach the users prior to having substitutes for them. does this make sense? --=20 =E2=80=A2 attila lendvai =E2=80=A2 PGP: 963F 5D5F 45C7 DFCD 0A39 -- =E2=80=9CSometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people = who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.=E2=80=9D =09=E2=80=94 Mark Twain (1835-1910)