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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.01 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 3952670E2E X-Spam-Score: -4.01 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx11.migadu.com X-TUID: Q313JVquGVRJ > there for most of the time already. And if you think about it, > symlinking stuff to /etc is a service. i've arrived to guix after 3+ decades of programming, most of that in opens= ource environments, unix-like OS'es, and more than a decade using linux as = my primary OS and lisp as my goto language. it could be me, of course, but it took me months of tinkering until i under= stood the guix service vs shepherd service nomenclature. and i still need t= o focus when i'm dealing with foo-service-type and shepherd services at the= same time. this nomenclature was an obstacle to understanding, because the naming sugg= ests something that was misleading me. for an average unix user a service is a process that is running in the back= groud, doing stuff mostly without any user interaction. you can try to argu= e this away, but i'm afraid that this is the state of things. and if you care whether your words (code) is communicating what you want to= be understood by your audience, then you must consider their model of real= ity. which reminds me of: =E2=80=9CPrograms must be written for people to read, and only incidentally= for machines to execute.=E2=80=9D =09=E2=80=94 Abelson & Sussman, SICP, preface to the first edition -- =E2=80=A2 attila lendvai =E2=80=A2 PGP: 963F 5D5F 45C7 DFCD 0A39 -- =E2=80=9CAs a rule, whatever we don=E2=80=99t deal with in our lives, we pa= ss on to our children. Our unfinished emotional business becomes theirs. As= a therapist said to me, "Children swim in their parents=E2=80=99 unconscio= us like fish swim in the sea."=E2=80=9D =09=E2=80=94 G=C3=A1bor M=C3=A1t=C3=A9 (1944=E2=80=93), 'In the Realm of Hu= ngry Ghosts' (2008)