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From: Attila Lendvai <attila@lendvai.name>
To: Csepp <raingloom@riseup.net>
Cc: Simon Tournier <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com>,
	Maxime Devos <maximedevos@telenet.be>,
	Vijaya Anand <sunrockers8@gmail.com>,
	pukkamustard <pukkamustard@posteo.net>,
	guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [GSoC 23] distributed substitutes, cost of storage
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2023 16:05:59 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Mbt96v9xv15YZJQu2hCpgo62l5608pMPMi4yH_XfSeMwGw44PKLaOwJJv-B1b5FZKSpQNfBRNYhZ70lWNSFe5DddT-e6qhhldsM8cArkq70=@lendvai.name> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87355bkwo2.fsf@riseup.net>

> Haven't read the Swarm thing, going more off of the general vibe of
> these cryptocurrency related projects that keep popping up:
> Using some kind of (optional) web of trust for clients makes more sense
> to me than making people pay with cryptocurrencies.
> 
> I should be able to set up two computers on a LAN in the middle of
> nowhere without having to care about some blockchain's global
> consistency.


yes, but those are different tasks, solved by different tools.

Swarm (and IPFS, and their ilk) solve large-scale cooperation in storing content. and the larger the scale of cooperation, the larger the benefits (redundance, fault tolerance, speed due to automatic caching, etc).


> NDN can do this right and has been able to for a while.
> Personally, I would try that and other established non-ponzi
> technologies first for distributed substitutes.
> Not being "permissionless" should not be considered a must have.


no, it's not a must have. it's just one more storage backend for storing substitutes -- once an abstraction layer like ERIS is installed.

without using ERIS, i wouldn't advocate for adding Swarm as the sole p2p backend integrated into Guix. there are better candidates for such a hypothetical singular position, or even as the first backend to get integrated.

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-08 16:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-25 19:00 [GSoC 23] distributed substitutes, cost of storage Attila Lendvai
2023-03-26 20:06 ` Vijaya Anand
2023-03-26 21:19   ` Attila Lendvai
2023-03-28 20:19     ` Vijaya Anand
2023-03-29  8:45       ` Andreas Enge
2023-03-29  9:26         ` pukkamustard
2023-03-29  9:34       ` pukkamustard
2023-03-30 11:08 ` Maxime Devos
2023-04-04 10:53   ` Attila Lendvai
2023-04-04 18:51     ` Maxime Devos
2023-04-05  7:19       ` Attila Lendvai
2023-04-06  8:13     ` Simon Tournier
2023-04-07 22:45       ` Attila Lendvai
2023-04-08  0:46         ` Csepp
2023-04-08 16:05           ` Attila Lendvai [this message]
2023-04-08  9:30         ` Simon Tournier
2023-04-08 15:53           ` Attila Lendvai

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