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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Attila Lendvai Cc: Martin Becze , guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1649059589; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=A16PZaHRBHl8AXx4KgsSxnvYjkWkiQn7CNO+Rj/xSIg=; b=QkSeIWFUBrFcOdqmI+wZiaCPiNdb/2yt5iWGATuzLldqmbs4vEdujfqrGDWV2wI5Eh+MJ+ T/qytmVznP9YdL4Mn6u38D/09Ub2NNJNYP4vGyEGsE/dJDP3ceg92MK0c+Yr/xE2uD4Txl YJBq1QJAM8BguHMEix3BXPgU4INHaCosPAavRnj/VQi7xd8PjaQKxvub968W0JbFq38mbD k0MEVhSEtEAVpFIY6tEjCgxELcBk7TW/1n7TTLTzP8yy/o2pduUvOCQJ+9U8uLqNDziXxl ktZLAjxPrjyTQWxmENDxlfSqZIlZIcmnq2mRLSHe9NldBgyqK3UJbh2Obdu2Dg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1649059589; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=pRsFclXXPhOYdeAvmgp0C/2shfU5Gsk9FUrikz9DFV0RyANG6axCNDnRcZJVIABGndXR57 o7P//6AGMnsbLBudrjbHjqQWz8VPRxLHZ4tqXcfvi4w4aqVfQD0z5ffo+f3WWSwGdaKh6Y 9r54CDe+t9ANekK4jHU16JZ1Mii8k0Kx536fbgq35H8olAvGbS5ZwqBu0fU15mRFcvRRaf 3WjGv46lVn9De2nlXkL2YyMiR1NbPgDdV5TETFCXegeZYoHXsCWBPMv1mIjifYFuaLmbKJ uwtgX8KRBFJEkKdw76bq7X4NmDS1lDbEml5EjIo7V+9ZQK7HSikLCut7tUapmw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=lendvai.name header.s=protonmail3 header.b=UDlZ93jO; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -6.08 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=lendvai.name header.s=protonmail3 header.b=UDlZ93jO; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 70C00E585 X-Spam-Score: -6.08 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 1yEHuG5z5tOX hi Hartmut and Martin, i have just found this draft email, and i'm sending it to you two directly = in the hope that you will find these thoughts useful/interesting, but i don= 't want to further annoy the mailing list with this topic. > Undermining the governments ability to raise tax also means undermining > the ability to build schools, kindergartens, public libraries, public > transport, streets, etc. Who is going to pay and provide all of this, If > there is no democratically controlled() government? there's plenty of past examples of financing these things without the gover= nment collecting the necessary funds. also, these things are only a tiny fr= action of the government's budget. if you want to dig deeper, then a book titled 'The Machinery of Freedom' di= scusses the various alternative forms of financing in more detail (http://d= aviddfriedman.com/#mybooks). > You might argument that this will then be paid be wealthy people - but the vast majority of the taxes are not taken from the wealthy, but from the= masses. the well-connected easily pays for the marginal cost of the tax co= nsultants, lawyers, judges, offshore entities, and whatnot... and ultimatel= y buy/corrupt the entire political system. and especially so for inflation, which is straight out a tax that siphons t= he purchasing power from people who hold cash equivalents (i.e. the poor), = to the people who own assets (i.e. the wealthy)... who are also closer to t= he source of new money, and therefore spend it first on the market, when it= has not yet elevated the prices. see the Cantillon effect: https://en.wiki= pedia.org/wiki/Richard_Cantillon#Monetary_theory which here reminds me of: =E2=80=9CIn a just society, it is shameful to be poor. In a corrupt society= , it is shameful to be rich.=E2=80=9D =09=E2=80=94 Confucius (551=E2=80=93479 BC), 'The Analects', Chapter VIII, = paraphrased this is the original: =E2=80=9CWhen a country is well governed, poverty and a mean condition are = things to be ashamed of. When a country is ill governed, riches and honor a= re things to be ashamed of.=E2=80=9D %=09=E2=80=94 Confucius (551=E2=80=93479 BC), 'The Analects', Chapter VIII = (=E9=82=A6=E6=9C=89=E9=81=93=E8=B2=A7=E4=B8=94=E8=B3=A4=E7=84=89=E6=81= =A5=E4=B9=9F=EF=BC=8C=E9=82=A6=E7=84=A1=E9=81=93=E5=AF=8C=E4=B8=94=E8=B2= =B4=E7=84=89=E6=81=A5=E4=B9=9F=E3=80=82) -- =E2=80=A2 attila lendvai =E2=80=A2 PGP: 963F 5D5F 45C7 DFCD 0A39 -- =E2=80=9CAnd the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more p= ainful than the risk it took to blossom.=E2=80=9D =09=E2=80=94 Ana=C3=AFs Nin (1903=E2=80=931977)