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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 4E4AE13457 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx13.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -7.67 X-Spam-Score: -7.67 X-TUID: v32x/88U0k14 > We should try to come up with a solution that alleviates the burden on > the maintainers. Given how often this issue arises, what if we try, as > a collective, to suggest new mechanisms that would improve the > situation? IMO one thing that would help is to somehow losen the current very tight co= upling (the guix monorepo). a high level of centralization always translates to a bottleneck, and guix = has reached a point where its centralized structure is seriously hindering = it and frustrating away contributors. i.e. it's much less risk to delegate the management of a hypothethical pyth= on channel to someone trusted than to give commit access to every contribut= or who wants to help maintaining the python related packages. so, i think a lot of packages should be in channels. probably everything th= at is not essential for a minimally functional system that can bootstrap it= self. part of python could be in the main guix repo, but whatever is not ti= ghtly needed could go into a channel with its own access control management= . some channels would have loser standards (god forbid some wouldn't frustrat= e the contributors with the ChangeLog format in the commit messages), and t= he users could decide whom they trust with what. and the guix maintainers c= ould decide which channels to list on the official web page, with what comm= ents/warnings. but this is easier said than done, because formally expressing the dependen= cies between these channels is not a trivial task (think of e.g. keeping `g= uix time-machine` working in an environment where a patch in the official g= uix repo can break a package in some random channel, which is then fixed th= ere in a new commit, etc). and even if doable, it would probably introduce = extra code complexity. but i'm sure there were countless discussions about the pros and cons of th= e monorepo, and i wish such a topic was captured in a wiki where the main a= rguments, obstacles, and ideas were collected for people like me who are la= te to the party. but then guix doesn't really have an official wiki either. (and no, an afte= rthought in the libreplanet wiki doesn't count. and if you have an urge to = argue, then just look at its current contents...) so we're pretty much stuc= k with the flat mailing list archive and IRC logs. hrm, a tangential: maybe digesting the guix mailing list and IRC archive wi= ll be my first actual use-case for an LLM... modern problems require modern= solutions. -- =E2=80=A2 attila lendvai =E2=80=A2 PGP: 963F 5D5F 45C7 DFCD 0A39 -- =E2=80=9CMillions of people never analyze themselves. Mentally they are mec= hanical products of the factory of their environment, preoccupied with brea= kfast, lunch, and dinner, working and sleeping, and going here and there to= be entertained. They don't know what or why they are seeking, nor why they= never realize complete happiness and lasting satisfaction. By evading self= -analysis, people go on being robots, conditioned by their environment. Tru= e self-analysis is the greatest art of progress.=E2=80=9D =09=E2=80=94 Paramahansa Yogananda (1893=E2=80=931952)