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Shall I send patches to you directly or maybe debbugs, or >guix-patches? > >>> 2=2E Having a router with Guix at home=2E I have to run multiple servi= ces >>> that provision 'networking' which is not allowed right now=2E The DHCP >>> client service is greedy right now and binds to all available >>> interfaces=2E I sent a [1] patch to solve this=2E However, I cannot de= fine >>> dhcp-client and static configuration at the same time anyway=2E >> >> OK, we could allow users to change the Shepherd service name used by th= e >> DHCP client then=2E > >That would indeed help for now=2E I can prepare yet another patch for >that=2E > >[=2E=2E=2E] > >> I=E2=80=99m not sure=2E IIUC, a =E2=80=9Cnetworking target=E2=80=9D he= re could translate to a >> Shepherd service that depends on all the relevant DHCP and static >> networking services=2E The question the becomes how to express that >> grouping conveniently=2E > >Yes, I also would like to point out that their must be a way to >establish a firewall, for example, *before* any network interface is up >(After=3Dnetwork-pre=2Etarget in systemd [1])=2E And the same thing durin= g the >shutdown procedure (Before=3Dnetwork-pre=2Etarget in systemd)=2E Applica= tions >have to be able to gracefully shutdown their network connections=2E Is i= t >the case right now, I don't know? > >I am checking (shepherd services) where `shutdown-services' defined, and >seems like it just walks across %services hash table=2E Am I missing >something? > >Footnotes: >[1] https://www=2Efreedesktop=2Eorg/software/systemd/man/systemd=2Especi= al=2Ehtml#network-pre=2Etarget > >--=20 >Alexey ------46DG694MNA0DP4YB37XG4H72FT26EE Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I guess using debbugs would give other people a ch= ance to have a look at your patches and comment, but I'm the only one who c= an push anyway=2E If you decide to use debbugs, make sure to CC me too=2E
Le 6 octobre 2022 15:11:30 GMT+02:00, Alex= ey Abramov <levenson@mmer=2Eorg> a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
Hi Ludo, Julien

Ludovic Court=C3=
=A8s <ludo@gnu=2Eorg> writes:

 Hi Alexey,

 (Cc: Julien, author of Guile-Netlink=
=2E)


[=2E=2E=2E]


 I=E2=80=99m sure your improvements to Guile-Netl=
ink would be welcome=2E

 Regarding =E2=80=98static-networking=E2=80=99 in Guix, t=
he goal was to allow it to be as
 expressive as the underlying netlink i=
nterface, but clearly we focused
 on the most common use cases=2E
 If you can think of how you=E2=80=99d like to represent these setups in =E2=80=98static-networking=E2=80=99 (perhaps a =E2=80=98bonds=E2=80=99 f=
ield similar to the netplan YAML
 snippet you showed?), we (or you :-)) =
can try and implement it=2E

Yeah, that was my intention=
 =3D)=2E @Julien Could you tell me how can I
collaborate? Shall I send p=
atches to you directly or maybe debbugs, or
guix-patches?

2=2E Having a router with Guix at home=2E I have to run mul=
tiple services
that provision 'networking' which is not allowed right no=
w=2E The DHCP
client service is greedy right now and binds to all availa=
ble
interfaces=2E I sent a [1] patch to solve this=2E However, I cannot =
define
dhcp-client and static configuration at the same time anyway=2E

 OK, we could allow users to change the Shepherd service=
 name used by the
 DHCP client then=2E

That would in= deed help for now=2E I can prepare yet another patch for
that=2E

= [=2E=2E=2E]

I=E2=80= =99m not sure=2E IIUC, a =E2=80=9Cnetworking target=E2=80=9D here could tr= anslate to a
Shepherd service that depends on all the relevant DHCP and = static
networking services=2E The question the becomes how to express t= hat
grouping conveniently=2E

Yes, I also would like = to point out that their must be a way to
establish a firewall, for examp= le, *before* any network interface is up
(After=3Dnetwork-pre=2Etarget i= n systemd [1])=2E And the same thing during the
shutdown procedure (Befo= re=3Dnetwork-pre=2Etarget in systemd)=2E Applications
have to be able t= o gracefully shutdown their network connections=2E Is it
the case right= now, I don't know?

I am checking (shepherd services) where `shutdow= n-services' defined, and
seems like it just walks across %services hash = table=2E Am I missing
something?

Footnotes:
[1] https://www=2Efreedesktop=2Eorg/software/systemd/man= /systemd=2Especial=2Ehtml#network-pre=2Etarget

--
Alexey
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