From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp10.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms5.migadu.com with LMTPS id iNhLMP197mLHggEAbAwnHQ (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 06 Aug 2022 16:43:09 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp10.migadu.com with LMTPS id iLNsL/197mLSTgAAG6o9tA (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 06 Aug 2022 16:43:09 +0200 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E3C0BFF9 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2022 16:43:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:43860 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oKL1A-0006dt-Qk for larch@yhetil.org; Sat, 06 Aug 2022 10:43:08 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43066) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oKL0z-0006di-5z for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Aug 2022 10:42:57 -0400 Received: from lepiller.eu ([89.234.186.109]:44666) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oKL0w-0002Jt-In for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Aug 2022 10:42:56 -0400 Received: from lepiller.eu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lepiller.eu (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 3ec114bb; Sat, 6 Aug 2022 14:41:37 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=lepiller.eu; h=date:from :to:subject:in-reply-to:references:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=dkim; bh=hEkQbbxn3HBY Z2XBI4QS7U24NZh39QQ4freZwMolMyg=; b=c4Duve/3UTlZt2hoMi+7hFb8Ys+y Xb42v0MkcBqXUlYqzdxxYDQrQ8+nBLH0IGDoLvhv54z8qU22fJV6ODR7OaKzVYlQ HPU9eDMSnRoDnMU4gZ2I+FiCtQSYsoXctL3oBqmcxJC90ffnjq7x/UFSTchbUt6O s8wPxoslBxp6OSfj3wtQgazI7aHwPVr4s90z6i2LaLRyW6b7HyLwWB45/YVcRBN9 +ej6LJMAwlXDIpcF0ZF7vG89/HTSzWt6XfjdNrnurAmWXTY053JeBJ6Lr3TUXtUT o37yvBFKUMqw+Hba/e0LlTNN9gGvE6pb+50Jq+5uNOGuro9SyOU4JVsmfw== Received: by lepiller.eu (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id e488d497 (TLSv1.3:AEAD-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256:NO); Sat, 6 Aug 2022 14:41:36 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2022 16:41:26 +0200 From: Julien Lepiller To: Olivier Dion , "Olivier Dion via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." , guix-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: GitLab to plans to delete dormant projects User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <87o7wxpliy.fsf@laura> References: <87o7wxpliy.fsf@laura> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=----G2HJ74TQL3CO2I3J1CFJT4R9T66C3P Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass client-ip=89.234.186.109; envelope-from=julien@lepiller.eu; helo=lepiller.eu X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1659796989; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=l6/7beeGWL5nN7G9H/GRhSx2WyC5I89/Ibo93l3by5I=; b=kt0natC/XX2eG0jdvwbtPhIcXEHKmwAUJspK5wK/sLgru2jYr1fL3+lGWvzUPGDdPCyvK1 70qGBIEQ7LQxmJBuvhfHOxjUJqnrnYY7rOjVtkUG4aGR0dN80mm46e9/WY6FcX/IdSUcLt lisWrRQdLBdw/Wm+oKTOe82LVPYtSAFaEaEN+wnCmyCmECIt8oADQpEZnbajKqgVnH8OcH 5e7xexu5pdw7c0ra1ReylprPiebrauguaNr/c+iqvbWIRjt2o4fQj3DUXE0KfrgQjSaihC 1srZp4FkA9YHvYtEUYaYQJF6nAnQfJhPjMTnjK7cbY3oUIWWelBY6jXZkj0MwA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1659796989; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=hYa4U2HjDQ9oEHQH0DITQJCFyj01T/3jpd5lwU7ZeSsVjij1hh/hcyvrF5pn0QJbFpcKcb SOSdVVOLOMwelmVoXC20Wn0eTEvVPs4Gtz3ywC3van8iXzL9LjwN7pH9rGhydBRbRxrZmw nBCbEwpT6gYzyFS1kRe3CTMcpU1d+dbEYgcozAL+ivjSNuIOH4Yaghrpzih0VNW5FLtMrQ Q1xuhEkh9KrF2j6SqDDO6RRovqysTEYxKF+UFENvNEW8Hs+2NvxoItdgGT2B5PilJX+QTr j0dhiOCmDIEmLJm8W4FMW/u2NZfaqYYe4RMoPgFxsHleY4A86DiX7Qptxbu1hw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=lepiller.eu header.s=dkim header.b="c4Duve/3"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=lepiller.eu; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.89 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=lepiller.eu header.s=dkim header.b="c4Duve/3"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=lepiller.eu; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 8E3C0BFF9 X-Spam-Score: -3.89 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: 6ixvN7sAsWmO ------G2HJ74TQL3CO2I3J1CFJT4R9T66C3P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Our build farms need those sources, so they keep them in cache=2E If you ne= ed a source, you can always substitute from the build farms if the origin d= isappeared (that's actually the default and you don't even need to trust th= e build farm for that to work)=2E Another fallback option when substitution is not possible is to get the so= urce from Software Heritage=2E They keep an archive of almost everything=2E= To do that, they have listers that help tgem find sources fsom different s= esvices=2E They have a lister for GitLab, and even one for Guix=2E Also, as= part of guix lint, a request is sert to swh if the oriqin is not yet archi= ved=2E Hopefully that means our origins are saved by Software Heritage, so we can= transparently fall back to them=2E Le 6 ao=C3=BBt 2022 15:08:21 GMT+02:00, "Olivier Dion via Development of G= NU Guix and the GNU System distribution=2E" a =C3=A9= crit=C2=A0: >Hi, > >Following this article , GitLab is >planning to start deleting project that were idle for > 12 months=2E > >Many packages origin in Guix use an url to a GitLab project=2E What are >the consequence of such deletion on Guix reproducibility? Will it >affects the time-machine? > >--=20 >Olivier Dion >oldiob=2Edev > > ------G2HJ74TQL3CO2I3J1CFJT4R9T66C3P Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Our build farms need those sources, so they keep t= hem in cache=2E If you need a source, you can always substitute from the bu= ild farms if the origin disappeared (that's actually the default and you do= n't even need to trust the build farm for that to work)=2E

Another f= allback option when substitution is not possible is to get the source from = Software Heritage=2E They keep an archive of almost everything=2E To do tha= t, they have listers that help tgem find sources fsom different sesvices=2E= They have a lister for GitLab, and even one for Guix=2E Also, as part of g= uix lint, a request is sert to swh if the oriqin is not yet archived=2E
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Hopefully that means our origins are saved by Software Heritage, so we = can transparently fall back to them=2E

Le= 6 ao=C3=BBt 2022 15:08:21 GMT+02:00, "Olivier Dion via Development of GNU = Guix and the GNU System distribution=2E" <guix-devel@gnu=2Eorg> a =C3= =A9crit=C2=A0:
Hi,

Following this article <<= a href=3D"https://lwn=2Enet/Articles/903858/">https://lwn=2Enet/Articles/90= 3858/>, GitLab is
planning to start deleting project that were id= le for > 12 months=2E

Many packages origin in Guix use an url to = a GitLab project=2E What are
the consequence of such deletion on Guix r= eproducibility? Will it
affects the time-machine?

--
Olivier Dion
oldiob=2Edev


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