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The tags for the kernel source code would be removed (but not for the cleanup scripts) but my understanding is that this doesn't requite rewriting history. The release tarballs are already gone but the tags corresponding to the libre kernel versions continue to exist in releases.git. My understanding is that the desire is to eventually remove those although I'm not sure about the timing but certainly long enough into the future to allow time to adapt. Also, the cleanup scripts will continue to exist in git as well, in both old and new versions, even after the tags for the corresponding libre kernel release have been deleted, so an interested person would still be able to recreate the appropriate source code even after tag deletion has happened. Given that they result in kernel source code with known freedom problems it seems very undesirable to use the old versions though. 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