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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Attila Lendvai Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1632564527; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=kLq+Tn2kW3ikT6h2sER7b9gu7Tur28Gmn1MOOIs74bI=; b=pDFNdF43q2uHNsQoqlxA0lF9ZjWv1Ct7kahZd4EvOaNAu+soh5N1VUbqcHUMQpN0s5GwqR kYf1iR/2bl6M4zwN0oJVL3exqSbz5CwKn9sNKlzkeNc/HtVC51oTTafTD4VT4MH6xPoYR6 heMFCNwVbqo9EY9cto2UWNrGnt1mypd50w94k9WiB4Vjk0ty2O2DuRzyFDZo1x3ck+sgX2 e68v3zBk8YnMnWkNY8J/+8ZgfeHJnihqP9kfKRVlxEn8N5VNo/gNjysu91OIOmO1HS/cCr 69DOi+wpbK9SBfDcEyBaNoYmRBHVoZK7GtBVUx5fSZq+fYAZA1FBZRvMlU/tdg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1632564527; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=sKoijYMk4bc2SLVwjP6n6gllkoSOafrr0Sf1DWoLaLp0BBr5bHg9biAgjFjHMDm2Z3IH0Q qn6/a3Aq998Wp08LayHGAkY6Oo6ysJ8YpOQ2Dh/MA601Dg+vlQX6TxjgDYNhfBGldvhB0k wIjuv9VGO4fc/m0tM0mdQO4SaqhlyU/3pSFIpOaIBNTw5IiGJFK506iSxWhShEZnqDTEAn AwpQFwTiMYsh7xSZRNy9X3FmA7ul5hhder2UcPdIkxvlK44VN2H+/vsoZ4OhSb1+U65aAd o9FWgCZs7wC6tzJfPqS/m4D7W0JzmPJvskDTVvzx6B2eAqGgLEMpCo8U+a9dKg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=lendvai.name header.s=protonmail2 header.b=kGGuXr5w; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.59 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=lendvai.name header.s=protonmail2 header.b=kGGuXr5w; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: E0DFD1C43E X-Spam-Score: -2.59 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: qdGY5SquaXGB > as an alternative for '-l'/'--load' there.) I often write simple > packages in individual files, outside of the guix repo or any kind of > proper channel setup, and I don't see much point in requiring every such > package to have its own single-package manifest, although it wouldn't be > too difficult if it were required (just extra boilerplate for standalone > package files). FWIW, i'm new to Guix, and it was enough to read the --help output to understand how --file works, but i still don't know what manifests are (even though i'm regularly using `guix package -m /path/to/manifest.scm`, which i have copied from somewhere). i know where it's documented. what i'm talking about here is how to optimize the results/time ratio of the project for newcomers; IOW, the project's approachability. i just haven't gotten to reading up on manifests, and yet i'm already getting things done. - attila PGP:=C2=A05D5F 45C7 DFCD 0A39