From: "Cook, Malcolm" <MEC@stowers.org>
To: Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org>,
Bone Baboon <bone.baboon@disroot.org>,
"guix-devel@gnu.org" <guix-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: RE: Free software telemetry and the Guix System
Date: Fri, 14 May 2021 18:55:34 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <DM6PR20MB3410C6393CF8FC37298D3BD7BE509@DM6PR20MB3410.namprd20.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87sg2pjib3.fsf@netris.org>
> Bone Baboon <mailto:bone.baboon@disroot.org> writes:
> > What types of telemetry in free software programs are compatible with
> > the Guix System?
>
> The relevant text in the GNU FSDG is here:
> <https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html#no-malware>
>
> "No Malware
>
> The distro must contain no DRM, no back doors, and no spyware."
>
> Of course, this depends on our understanding of what it means to be
> e"spyware". There might be edge cases where this is not clear, but I
> hope we can all agree that _any_ kind of telemetry *must* be disabled by
> default.
>
> > This is a general question but Audacity is a current example of a free
> > software program that is in the process of introducing telemetry to some
> > degree. It does not look like Audacity has implemented telemetry yet.
> > Here are two links that provide further information.
> >
> > https://github.com/audacity/audacity/pull/835
>
> The opening message of that pull request states:
>
> "1. Telemetry is strictly optional and disabled by default. No data
> is shared unless you choose to opt-in and enable telemetry.
>
> 2. Telemetry only works in the builds made by GitHub CI from the
> official repo (the telemetry URLs are only defined there).
>
> 3. If you are compiling Audacity from source, we will provide a CMake
> option to enable the telemetry code. This option will be turned
> off by default."
>
> and:
>
> "Just to reiterate, telemetry is completely optional and disabled by
> default. We will try to make it as clear as possible exactly what
> data is collected if the user chooses to opt-in and enable
> telemetry. We will consider adding the fine-grained controls that
> some of you have asked for."
>
> If these claims are true, then I think this is quite satisfactory for
> our purposes. I wouldn't even object to enabling the telemetry code via
> the CMake build-time option, as long as it's "opt-in", i.e. that each
> user must explicitly enable it, and only after being made aware of the
> consequences of doing so.
>
> What do you think?
My 2 cents: I think the Audacity model is exemplary and your interpretation is spot on. I personally want the option of enabling such telemetry, as it may well serve my needs and may also give the developer valuable usage and/or crash info which is the least I can provide in return for such a great FOSS app as Audacity.
>
> Thanks for raising this issue.
>
> Regards,
> Mark
>
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Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-05-13 20:03 Free software telemetry and the Guix System Bone Baboon
2021-05-14 18:12 ` Mark H Weaver
2021-05-14 18:55 ` Cook, Malcolm [this message]
2021-05-14 20:52 ` Leo Famulari
2021-05-15 10:01 ` Bengt Richter
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2021-05-15 7:48 mjbecze
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