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Disclaimer: I'm currently not a guix user. I've been following the gnunet for a while so I felt qualified to comment. > Concern 1: guix will be soon be distributed over gnunet >=20 > I'm not familiar with gnunet. Has this come to fruition? Are the > two mutually exclusive? Is it not possible to host the same text > using both gnunet and www? If the www wiki would mirror the gnunet > wiki, is there something that prevents gnunet mirroring www? Guix could provide an endpoint in the gnunet network for users that prefer = to use it. However there's no reason to prevent it from being accessible using= the current TCP/IP stack. The goal of gnunet is to replace the TCP/IP stack. It is built as an overlay and underlay network. It can run on TCP/IP but could also replace it. Every application using TCP/IP would have to be converted to use gnunet or gnunet would have to emulate TCP/IP. Until then they'll run in parallel. > Concern 5: having a wiki may confuse what the primary source of documenta= tion is (i.e. the manual) >=20 > I'm not sure I understand why this is a problem. Of course, > confusion should be minimized. But the primary source of > documentation should be the one that best helps the user. Ideally, > that is the manual. Is there a negative consequence for the primary > source not being the manual? For example, how many of you have used > the Arch wiki to solve problems for something other than the Arch > system? Is that a problem? I suppose that depends on the user. As a new linux user I tended to only use the information available for my distro. Only after knowing the differences =66rom the distros have I started to use a wider spectrum for information. That may primarily be a question of the target audience for guix? > Concern 8: the manual should have all the examples necessary for people t= o understand how to tweak things >=20 > Agreed. Contributing to documentation also shouldn't be as > difficult as it currently is, but here we are. Let's figure it out > together. :) What about an online editing interface (analogous to Wikipedia) where every= one can make edit suggestions. Optimally directly converted to a patch by the software. Changes to the cookbook would have to be merged by the maintaine= rs and the community based wiki could either have a group of editors or a consensus based workflow. Personally I believe having one resource for information to be the preferred solution. Maybe the Gentoo wiki could be a source of inspiration on what we= 'd like to achieve? 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