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This is a per= fect subject for Guix to handle? =F0=9F=98=84 https://github.com/webrtc-rs/webrtc > On Apr 4, 2022, at 06:14, Yasuaki Kudo wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFWell I thought it would be easier to build it natively on Guix fr= om "scratch". >=20 > For example, the BBB programs looked almost impossible to disassemble to c= omponents - at least it looked like it would be even harder than doing it al= l over again. >=20 > But the question of what the "scratch" means... it seems there are a few c= omponents - WebRTC, audio codec, video codec, etc. >=20 > And there are questions over whether to really mix the signals on server (= for audio) or just bundling all separate lines of communications (for video)= , etc >=20 > I would like to taken advantage of Guix to try different mixes and experim= ent =F0=9F=98=84=20 >=20 >>> On Apr 3, 2022, at 03:34, jbranso@dismail.de wrote: >>>=20 >>> =EF=BB=BFApril 2, 2022 12:26 AM, "Yasuaki Kudo" wrote= : >>>=20 >>> Hi, >>>=20 >>> 2 years ago, I joined meet.coop , a video conference service cooperative= and explored the business >>> potential in Japan. >>>=20 >>> The coop hosted BBB but the gap I discovered was that the potential cust= omers in Japan would not be >>> interested unless the service is customized to their exact needs - other= wise they preferred Zoom >>> and Google meet. >>>=20 >>> So ability to to take the video conference service into minimalist compo= nents and then reassembling >>> is very important =F0=9F=98=84 >>>=20 >>=20 >> Sounds like a worthwhile project. You can always reach out to the BBB or= jitsi developers >> and see what they think of your proposal. >>=20 >>> -Yasu >>>=20 >>>>> On Apr 2, 2022, at 03:59, jbranso@dismail.de wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> March 31, 2022 7:53 PM, "Yasuaki Kudo" wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> Hello, >>>>>=20 >>>>> =46rom time to time, I think about audio/video mixer (.i.e. video conf= erence software like BBB or >>>>> Jitsi) , with the intension of making it highly modular that it can be= freely remixed and >>>>> reinvented by volunteer participants. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Is anyone interested? Or is can you think about something that already= exists? >>>>=20 >>>> Your proposal sounds a little vague. What are you hoping to accomplish t= hat BBB or Jitsi >>>> does not already do? >>>>=20 >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Yasu --Apple-Mail-541D9537-A37B-44BB-AA2D-5829CAC05A51 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
and= this thing WebRTC itself looks like a beast of its own...  This is a p= erfect subject for Guix to handle? =F0=9F=98=84




On Apr 4, 202= 2, at 06:14, Yasuaki Kudo <yasu@yasuaki.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BFWell I tho= ught it would be easier to build it natively on Guix from "scratch".<= br>
For example, the BBB programs looked almost imposs= ible to disassemble to components - at least it looked like it would be even= harder than doing it all over again.

But t= he question of what the "scratch" means...  it seems there are a few co= mponents - WebRTC, audio codec, video codec, etc.
And there are questions over whether to really mix the signals on ser= ver (for audio) or just bundling all separate lines of communications (for v= ideo), etc

I would like to taken advantage o= f Guix to try different mixes and experiment =F0=9F=98=84
<= /span>
On Apr 3, 2022, at 03:34, jbranso@= dismail.de wrote:

=EF=BB=BFApril 2, 2022 1= 2:26 AM, "Yasuaki Kudo" <yasu@yasuaki.com> wrote:

Hi,

2 years ago, I joined meet.coop , a video conference service cooperative= and explored the business
potential in Japan.
<= /blockquote>

The coop hosted BBB but the gap I discovered was t= hat the potential customers in Japan would not be
interest= ed unless the service is customized to their exact needs - otherwise they pr= eferred Zoom
<= blockquote type=3D"cite">and Google meet.
So ability to to take the video conference service into minimalist c= omponents and then reassembling
is very important =F0=9F=98= =84


Sounds l= ike a worthwhile project.  You can always reach out to the BBB or jitsi= developers
and see w= hat they think of your proposal.

-Yasu

On Apr 2, 2022, at 03:59, jbranso@disma= il.de wrote:
<= blockquote type=3D"cite">

March 31, 2= 022 7:53 PM, "Yasuaki Kudo" <yasu@yasuaki.com> wrote:

=
Hello,

=46rom time to time, I think about audio/video mixer (.i.= e. video conference software like BBB or
Jitsi) , with t= he intension of making it highly modular that it can be freely remixed and
reinvented by volunteer participants.

Is anyone interested? Or is can you think about somethi= ng that already exists?

= Your proposal sounds a little vague. What are you hoping to accomplish that B= BB or Jitsi
does no= t already do?

Cheers,
<= blockquote type=3D"cite">Yasu
= --Apple-Mail-541D9537-A37B-44BB-AA2D-5829CAC05A51--