From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: David Craven Subject: Re: Leaving the guix project Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 13:56:04 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87o9y29svy.fsf@igalia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55978) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cei53-0005ot-Ic for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2017 07:56:10 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cei50-0004lN-FL for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2017 07:56:09 -0500 Received: from mail-qk0-x22e.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22e]:36020) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cei50-0004l3-AU for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2017 07:56:06 -0500 Received: by mail-qk0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id 11so42680267qkl.3 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2017 04:56:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87o9y29svy.fsf@igalia.com> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Andy Wingo Cc: guix-devel > I think if you posit a free software project that works in the way you > describe ("on its own"), it would work very much like Guile works > right now. An operating system has to work on all hardware. Asking people to buy a RYF approved device to run guixsd is no different than apple requiring you to buy an apple computer to run mac os x. Turning guixsd into an embedded system for RYF devices is not something I want to spend time and effort on. I can't with good conscience recommend to people to buy a usb wifi adapter to use guixsd when I believe they have much larger privacy issues in their devices. To be comfortable contributing to a free project I need to know that people are able to do whatever THEY want, with those contributions, and not what the FSF wants. The FSDG and GNU philosophy prevent me from offering any kind of help and require me to do it hidden. What really gets to me is that I feel - whether justly or not - that the FSF believes I need to feel shame for doing and recommending whatever I believe is best. The word "immoral" in this context is simply unacceptable to me. Compliance with the FSDG makes guix very much dependent on an external entity.