From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Catonano Subject: Re: Re-approaching package tagging Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 12:34:31 +0100 Message-ID: References: <875zvsq8ov.fsf@dustycloud.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001acec9057d4a49d6" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52894) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gZDeV-0005Rr-A4 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 06:35:10 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gZDeS-000835-4E for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 06:35:06 -0500 Received: from mail-yw1-xc33.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::c33]:44649) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gZDeM-0007rl-DP for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 06:35:02 -0500 Received: by mail-yw1-xc33.google.com with SMTP id i22so6508557ywa.11 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 03:34:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: swedebugia Cc: guix-devel --0000000000001acec9057d4a49d6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Il giorno mar 18 dic 2018 alle ore 08:48 Catonano ha scritto: > > > Il giorno lun 17 dic 2018 alle ore 22:10 swedebugia > ha scritto: > >> Hi :) >> >> On 2018-12-17 20:01, Christopher Lemmer Webber wrote: >> > Hello, >> > >> > In the past when we've discussed package tagging, I think Ludo' has been >> > against it, primarily because it's a giant source of bikeshedding. I >> > agree that it's a huge space for bikeshedding... no space provides more >> > bikeshedding than naming things, and tagging things is a many to many >> > naming system. >> > >> > However, I will say that finding packages based on topical interest is >> > pretty hard right now. If I want to find all the available roguelikes: >> > >> > cwebber@jasmine:~$ guix package -A rogue >> > hyperrogue 10.5 out gnu/packages/games.scm:3652:2 >> > roguebox-adventures 2.2.1 out gnu/packages/games.scm:1047:2 >> > >> > Hm, that's strange, there's definitely more roguelikes that should show >> > up than that! A more specific search is even worse: >> > >> > cwebber@jasmine:~$ guix package -A roguelike >> > cwebber@jasmine:~$ >> > >> > What I should have gotten back: >> > - angband >> > - cataclysm-dda >> > - crawl >> > - crawl-tiles >> > - hyperrogue >> > - nethack >> > - roguebox-adventures >> > - tome4 >> > >> > So I only got 1/4 of the entries I was interested in in my first query. >> > Too bad! >> > >> > I get that we're opening up space for bikeshedding and *that's true*. >> > But it seems like not doing so makes things hard on users. >> > >> > What do you think? Is there a way to open the (pandora's?) box of tags >> > safely? >> >> Yes and no. >> >> Pjotr and I have discussed this relating to biotech software. He said >> that many scientists have a hard time finding the right tools for the job. >> >> I proposed tight integration with wikidata[1] (every software in the >> world will eventually have an item there) and Guix (QID on every package >> and lookup/catogory integration) and leave all the categorizing to them. >> Ha problem sidestepped, they are bikeshedding experts over there in >> wikiland! :D >> >> The advantage of this is that everyone using wikidata (every package >> manager) could pull the same categorization so we only do it once in a >> central >> >> What do you think? >> >> -- >> >> > > There is also the Free Software Directory > https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Main_Page > > I don't know what the relationship between Wikidata and the FSD is > > Does Wikidata import data from the FSD ? Or viceversa ? > There happens to be this thread on their mailing list, I think it's relevant (the whole thread is interesting) https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/directory-discuss/2018-11/msg00000.html --0000000000001acec9057d4a49d6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


Il giorno mar 18 dic 2018 alle ore 08:48 = Catonano <catonano@gmail.com&g= t; ha scritto:
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Il giorno lun 17 dic 2018 alle ore 22:10 = swedebugia <s= wedebugia@riseup.net> ha scritto:
Hi :)

On 2018-12-17 20:01, Christopher Lemmer Webber wrote:
> Hello,
>
> In the past when we've discussed package tagging, I think Ludo'= ; has been
> against it, primarily because it's a giant source of bikeshedding.= =C2=A0 I
> agree that it's a huge space for bikeshedding... no space provides= more
> bikeshedding than naming things, and tagging things is a many to many<= br> > naming system.
>
> However, I will say that finding packages based on topical interest is=
> pretty hard right now.=C2=A0 If I want to find all the available rogue= likes:
>
> cwebber@jasmine:~$ guix package -A rogue
> hyperrogue=C2=A0 =C2=A0 10.5=C2=A0 =C2=A0 out=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0gnu/p= ackages/games.scm:3652:2
> roguebox-adventures=C2=A0 =C2=A02.2.1=C2=A0 =C2=A0out=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0gnu/packages/games.scm:1047:2
>
> Hm, that's strange, there's definitely more roguelikes that sh= ould show
> up than that!=C2=A0 A more specific search is even worse:
>
> cwebber@jasmine:~$ guix package -A roguelike
> cwebber@jasmine:~$
>
> What I should have gotten back:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0- angband
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0- cataclysm-dda
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0- crawl
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0- crawl-tiles
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0- hyperrogue
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0- nethack
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0- roguebox-adventures
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0- tome4
>
> So I only got 1/4 of the entries I was interested in in my first query= .
> Too bad!
>
> I get that we're opening up space for bikeshedding and *that's= true*.
> But it seems like not doing so makes things hard on users.
>
> What do you think?=C2=A0 Is there a way to open the (pandora's?) b= ox of tags
> safely?

Yes and no.

Pjotr and I have discussed this relating to biotech software. He said
that many scientists have a hard time finding the right tools for the job.<= br>
I proposed tight integration with wikidata[1] (every software in the
world will eventually have an item there) and Guix (QID on every package and lookup/catogory integration) and leave all the categorizing to them. Ha problem sidestepped, they are bikeshedding experts over there in
wikiland! :D

The advantage of this is that everyone using wikidata (every package
manager) could pull the same categorization so we only do it once in a
central

What do you think?

--



There is also th= e Free Software Directory



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