2018-06-08 15:49 GMT+02:00 Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org>:

> Hello!
>
> Catonano <catonano@gmail.com> skribis:
>
> > In this post I discuss Guix
> >
> > And I discuss Guile too
> >
> > I understand that the language is strong and I expect someone to be upset
> >
> > But I feel this is due
> >
> > Happy reading
> >
> > http://catonano.v22018025836661967.nicesrv.de/the-gnu-community.html
>
> Thanks for sharing your thoughts!  I pretty much agree with the kind
> words about the Guix group. ;-)
>
> I didn’t know (I suppose I didn’t pay attention) to what happened to you
> in Guile land, and I’m sad you experienced it and felt bad about the
> whole story.
>
> I feel that “GNU is toxic” and “Guile is toxic” are unhelpful, though.
> I mean, we are GNU, and we are Guile.  GNU has its own set of problems
> that we’ll have to deal with, and it’s a very big organization with its
> own history etc., so improving things is difficult.  But Guile is a
> small community, and I’m sure we can improve.
>

I agree that there's room for improvement

That's the reason why I wrote that post

I could have silently drift away and maybe move to Racket or to Pharo or to
knitting fishing nets, as thousands of people have already done

I thought that in providing my cut on the Guile experience I was providing
ground on which to operate

It was what I could do to help the Guile community to improve a bit.

I was maybe slightly presumptuos, yes


> To me, the lesson as a Guile co-maintainer is that we should be paying
> more attention in general.  I consider myself partly responsible for
> this in that, although I’m still officially co-maintainer,


Ah I didn't know this
I thought you were a _former_ comantainer

Had I nown you were still a comantainer, I wold have pinged you, when the
accident happened

I refrained from pinging you because I had understood that you had
explicitly stripped yourself of the Guile responsibility in order to
dedicate your efforts to Guix


> I haven’t
> been paying much attention to what’s going on on the Guile channels.  We
> shouldn’t let hostile conversations like the one you experienced on
> #guile through.


Definitely. I'm glad you acnowledge this



> Perhaps what we need is someone to step up and help out
> with Guile?  We should all care.
>

Should any initiative to improve the Guile channels come out of this, I
would consider this a huge success of my post 😊




>
> Thank you,
> Ludo’.
>
>
Thank you !