From: zimoun <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com>
To: "Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org>
Cc: guix-devel <guix-devel@gnu.org>,
"Clément Lassieur" <clement@lassieur.org>
Subject: Re: Guix and FSDG
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 22:39:47 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJ3okZ1WN9h0f7F-_vPK82CZvcdbnne0asTO2wUvpZzPpXtnTQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87k17q1njt.fsf@gnu.org>
Hi,
On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 at 19:00, Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> wrote:
> Clément Lassieur <clement@lassieur.org> skribis:
>
> > Indeed 'guix build --source' returns the freed source. However, the
> > original archive does end up in /gnu/store, and its path in displayed
> > during the build.
>
> (Only if you build from source, without substitutes, etc.)
If I read correctly, Clément just points out inaccuracies of the
David's answer [0]:
[0] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2019-11/msg00376.html
<<
The most important
part of this process is that the original source archive is *never*
accessible to the Guix user via any Guix tools.
>>
Correct, even if Guix tools is vague. Is "guix repl" a Guix tools? :-)
<<
The original archive
is discarded and does not end up in the canonical location for Guix
data: /gnu/store.
>>
Incorrect, as Clément shows. And it is not a bug of the very
particular zpaq package, but a general feature of how Guix works.
<<
Therefore, Guix has taken sufficient
technical measures to avoid steering its user towards nonfree software
and thus Guix is compliant with the FSDG.
>>
> The spirit of the FSDG is that the distro must not provide, recommend, or
> link to non-free code, and I think Guix is following that to the letter.
We all agree on that. I guess.
In the initial Raghav's message, it seems that the argument is:
because Guix downloads non-free code in order to install free
software, then Guix does not follow the FSDG. This argument misreads
the current FSDG. For example, any GNU/linux distribution needs to
download non-free blobs and then removes them. Even, the FSDG webpage
[1] points to scripts [2] that remove these non-free blobs. The
keyword in the FSDG is "installable" and nothing is said about
"download", from my understanding.
[1] https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html
[2] http://www.fsfla.org/svn/fsfla/software/linux-libre/scripts/
> For the record, this issue was discussed in the early days of Guix and I
> don’t think anything has changed since then. The current behavior of
> ‘guix build --source’ stems from those discussions (that was ca. 2015,
> but I can’t find the links now).
I have not found neither.
However, from my perspective, all this seems more a troll than a real issue. :-)
All the best,
simon
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-11-25 21:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-11-20 10:02 Guix and FSDG Raghav Gururajan
2019-11-22 14:59 ` ng0
2019-11-22 15:26 ` ng0
2019-11-22 17:03 ` Thompson, David
2019-11-22 19:20 ` Raghav Gururajan
2019-11-22 20:26 ` Thompson, David
2019-11-23 1:22 ` Clément Lassieur
2019-11-23 10:27 ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2019-11-23 10:54 ` Clément Lassieur
2019-11-23 17:59 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-11-25 21:39 ` zimoun [this message]
2019-11-26 8:33 ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2019-11-23 10:04 ` Giovanni Biscuolo
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