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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=208.82.101.137; envelope-from=felix.lechner@lease-up.com; helo=sail-ipv4.us-core.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 2ED3B39427 X-Spam-Score: -2.31 X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.31 Reply-to: Felix Lechner From: Felix Lechner via "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-TUID: 3AbFSSt9X0VW Hi, On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 2:37=E2=80=AFAM Andreas Enge wrote= : > > And the feature branches with > QA on cuirass or the Guix Build Coordinator that we talked about at the > Guix Days. For what it's worth, someone turned one of my patch sets into a proof-of-concept for feature branches. You can follow the progress via the original patch, [1] the feature branch, [2] or the resulting CI job set. [3] [1] https://issues.guix.gnu.org/61989 [2] https://qa.guix.gnu.org/issue/61989 [3] https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/log/?h=3Dwip-go-updates > There are currently 48 committers, and not all of them are active. > I think this is just not enough for 20000 packages. If a brief comparison is permitted, Debian maintains 35,000 source packages with about a thousand voting members (aka Debian Developers) as well as another thousand or so contributors. My estimate is that about a third of all those people are active. On a per-package basis, that's about fifty source packages per contributor there. For Guix, I do not know how many committers are active or how many people contribute without commit privileges, but assuming two hundred active contributors altogether, I arrive at a guesstimate of about 100 packages per contributor for us. Packaging in Guix is much simpler, however, and our collective approach and care also reduce the pressure to be perfect. (In Guix, the "perfect" sentiment only survives in the formattin of commit messages.) Debian's celebrity status among software distributions also attracts a lot of people. As a side note, the growth of a group can lead to greater social tensions and a proliferation of outside politics. Given the excellent stewardship in Guix to date and the technical possibilities of automatic patch approval, I am therefore not necessarily in favor of growing the contributor base at all costs. We really have something special in Guix. Thank you all for your hard work and mutual friendship! Kind regards, Felix Lechner