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Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1681494256; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=tmlOLkUy5ESpgNV630vr3Oyo1ZBmHEkTFVDzP/2QkQN2lCdHL3hzoQYpUgUVzl0RO1xx3J yigFO8K0/WG8VSC1htZQZb0rrBTfBnIylFLvUAJ/iuhN4N6kGWNzmocu76DKyB8IsP6xGf 3/WIEQPNAXQkh6BakqVsAS0IWbQqBj827+zs2pwZ+8Y7fU24kOyDeVeZzCgWNwzLZ2wRyi Aux5QQQ0BZ8jNz3pCEeEJbNlnQaVrZcUWqjzfysT9gY+epo/ael0DKkIhir0uoVUWM6m22 uVNveiRiq613LO7DLXHpCrdf2eM5xiSzAclPBnp+V/5K32MXMa+yiSDPEQtoSg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=lease-up.com header.s=2017 header.b=UHrjo59z; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1681494256; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=B/dqojIivsevmVnHg9HkqVze7cgXHkpgfdkpy+fZmVE=; b=OmHIFphBBpRXyVfMpwwwX1iszoSAsAnvpx4y39NsDDKgiZuZvILGEIJzwiZcMfMl+9MWjM AVDdoOFjeBCvlZW28oenJed/GOOz+nKR/y2eQUjoZ+TV1rIUUqelQJH7Phu5V7KEkGRce+ uTqwhS/K/nusNCCVeMm5EdkOoWtzDwiecYuc+yjq0Jm+ajWKPK9GKyvG0smys9o5EriEaa jvOeSVlKImUUIBUbaAH4XdUOawGCkXYqvklW5nwnhUs7L+qkQC9FmjUjpEgb8NqNCYYdXF yeyFkqpLJexPcJwfvNuUpkeZ1Zv5uttIOWP74U+HK86JlVOAdrj+PTrrSsTiXw== X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 74C22CF9F Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=lease-up.com header.s=2017 header.b=UHrjo59z; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.02 X-Spam-Score: -2.02 X-TUID: Pkl/ju6VCAMN Hi everyone, > At some point we have to make choices > > Guix has never achieved usability as a desktop system on non-Intel > systems. > > I've come to believe that having Guix work well on non-Intel systems is, > in practice, incompatible with the rate at which we update our packages. There are many good reasons to drop a machine type but I'm not sure that's one. In my book, a poorly working Guix system is still better than having none at all. Kind regards Felix Lechner P.S. Porting to exotic architectures can also expose interesting bugs that make software more portable in the future.