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Mon, 18 Mar 2024 10:39:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87il1mupco.fsf@meson> <87a5mvyjl4.fsf@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Daniel Littlewood Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2024 17:39:08 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Concerns/questions around Software Heritage Archive To: Kaelyn Cc: guix-devel Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::130; envelope-from=danielittlewood@gmail.com; helo=mail-lf1-x130.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 18 Mar 2024 15:14:01 -0400 X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Scanner: mx12.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.79 X-Spam-Score: -5.79 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 013171DBE8 X-TUID: z5Q+EvpnW+Am Hi Kaelyn, The legal question is unsettled, and there is ongoing litigation by (at least) Matthew Butterick in the US, since at least 2022. The reasonable positions I'm aware of are: 1. An LLM (or, more precisely, the set of weights that define it) is not a derivative work of its training data, for the purposes of copyright, and thus the license is irrelevant. 2. Producing an LLM from training data is a transformative fair use, and thus the license is irrelevant. 3. Neither 1 nor 2 holds, and LLMs constitute copyright infringement on a profound scale (of both copyrighted and copylefted works). The FSF and CC have both commissioned white papers on the impact of such considerations for Free works. I don't recall seeing anything particularly insightful in them. Probably a waste of time to discuss it here. Best wishes, Dan