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You've done some seriously impressive CVE squashing in > such a short timespan, and I'm very grateful to have you on board. Yes, impressive, I have been following the repology page about potentially vulnerable & upgradable packages for Guix, and the number has significantly decreased the last weeks, kudos ! I did some package updates (chosen from the very same page) but unlike you, I only cherry-picked the low hanging fruits from there and punted on the more involved ones. A good part of that ended on core-updates due to the rebuilds needed. I think we really should be shortening our releases cycles (core-updates, staging merges), because piling upon those branches for too long increase the disruption in a way that is probably more exponential than linear. My perception is the following (please correct me if I'm wrong): A graft involves work on master for the inherited package & graft, sometime= s an update of the package on core updates, then the cleanup (which are more or less all done in a short time frame when we want to release). So while i= t may good enough for some fixes, they should be limited in number and in tim= e, which also comes to the release early, release often (in a reasonable way). I was told that we can always update packages because guix easily allows anyone to go back to a working state, the same reasoning should be applicab= le to staging and core-updates merging. Why delay them for too long if the potential disruption is mitigated by going back to a workinig profile or system gener= ation (modulo the substitute availability which is almost only a compute resource problem) Cheers --=20 Vincent Legoll