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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel , Mathieu Othacehe Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.26 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail (headers rsa verify failed) header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=JCko9tai; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: DBC14940105 X-Spam-Score: -1.26 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: aO+jU7Bx/2qm Hello, On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 12:07 AM Leo Famulari wrote: > Specifically about armhf, if anybody wants to use it with Guix, I hope > they will speak up. I am interested, I have tried, and failed to get anything (apart from guix on foreign armbian). But I am more interested in guixsd though. I even attempted building the pinebook pro image without success. > I think we should monitor the volume of substitute requests per platform > and see how big the demand for armhf Guix really is. With the current situation, I'm not sure this would really be representative of the armhf or arm64 demand. > Although there is a huge amount of armhf hardware deployed, Guix seems a > very poor fit for it. In its current state. > There is almost no armhf hardware that is suitable > for a build-from-source distro in terms of performance, thermal design > and suitable storage (SD cards will not last for unless you pay a huge > amount for the absolute highest quality). Binary distros like Trisquel > are a much better option for armhf. The cross buildability *should* be kind of a solution for this. > All that is not a reason to not support armhf, but if nobody is using > it, then we should officially deprecate it, and not leave it in this > in-between state. I'm not using it because I can't make it work. -- Vincent Legoll