From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: =?UTF-8?Q?G=C3=A1bor_Boskovits?= Subject: Re: [outreachy] am I in the right track to contribute Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2018 08:31:27 +0200 Message-ID: References: <20181009181740.1f88bbf2@alma-ubu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58623) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gAqz8-0005Rr-3G for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 02:31:43 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gAqz6-0001tY-44 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 02:31:42 -0400 In-Reply-To: List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Laura Lazzati Cc: Guix-devel , Ricardo Wurmus Hello Laura, Laura Lazzati ezt =C3=ADrta (id=C5=91pont: 201= 8. okt. 11., Cs, 21:58): > > On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 2:05 PM G=C3=A1bor Boskovits wrote: > > > > Hello Laura, > > > > Laura Lazzati ezt =C3=ADrta (id=C5=91pont:= 2018. > > okt. 11., Cs, 16:32): > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 6:24 AM G=C3=A1bor Boskovits wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Laura, > > > > > > > > Laura Lazzati ezt =C3=ADrta (id=C5=91p= ont: 2018. okt. 11., Cs, 3:25): > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 3:12 PM G=C3=A1bor Boskovits wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Laura, > > > > > > > > > > > > Laura Lazzati ezt =C3=ADrta (id=C5= =91pont: 2018. okt. 10., Sze 18:41): > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 1:17 PM Bj=C3=B6rn H=C3=B6fling > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Hi Laura, > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 10:08:44 -0300 > > > > > >> > Laura Lazzati wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > Hi everyone! > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > I don't know if is it OK to be telling you what I am/ I've= been doing > > > > > >> > > these days, I kind of like doing so to have feedback, and = also to let > > > > > >> > > you know > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > This is exactly the way to go! It's good to hear where you s= tay, what > > > > > >> > you tried, where you succeeded, where you got stuck. If you = get stuck, > > > > > >> > tell us about the paths you already tried out and why you do= n't get > > > > > >> > further alone. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Sorry for being absent for a day. After updating and upgrading= my > > > > > >> computer, I am stuck trying to see why the sound stopped worki= ng. Yes, > > > > > >> this kind of thinks happen but just now? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No worries, one day off is perfectly ok, however if you did not= get an answer in 3 or 4 days, then please contact us, since in that case t= here is some communications mistake. > > > > > > Last time losing sound happened to me after a dist-upgrade in u= buntu, and turned out, that the pulseaudio package shipped with a configura= tion that was not compatible with the version of the binaries supplied. I r= an it in the foreground, and in the startup messages or in the log I found = that it could not parse the config. It can be something entirely different = though. I hope this helps. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks :) Unluckily i made a mistake and ended up needing a fres= h > > > > > install. But I am the kind of person that always has data backup = and > > > > > is aware of the software and utilities that needs. Tomorrow I wil= l go > > > > > on with my VMs, the one with only Guix, and one with GuixSD and s= tart > > > > > with the package stuff, so that I can contribute as much as I can= , > > > > > even if I am not chosen for outreachy. > > > > > > > > Sorry to hear that, but glad that you did not suffer any data loss. > > > > Having the VMs back by tomorrow is nice, thanks for the update. > > > Luckily yesterday I ended up late at night and found that I could > > > import my VM with Ubuntu guest with guix running. I do have a > > > question. I use Virtualbox, and Downloaded the .iso file of GuixSD, I > > > have just installed the VM for GuixSD in VirtualBox - I read that in > > > the documentation it is mentioned to use quemu- but strangely I > > > managed to install it without any problems in VirtualBox with the .is= o > > > I made the internet connection work, because the interfacewas down, > > > running other commands not shown in the documentation, now I have it > > > strangely in state unknown but tried ping and works. > > > https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/manual/en/html_node/Preparing-for-I= nstallation.html#Preparing-for-Installation > > > (I am writing down in my daily journal everything I am encountering, = ) > > > I have even found that I cannot run shutdown -h now, don't know why > > > tried shutdown --help and it does not show the option, or read > > > manpages, or fin where .bash_history is located. > > > > shutdown is handled by shepherd on GuixSD, and it does not have these > > options. You can try simply shutdown or halt. > > .bash_history on my GuixSD system is located in ~/.bash_history, as > > expected. Also on my GuixSD system system > > man pages work as expected. Are you facing these issues in the > > installation image? > > > > It is nice that you managed using VirtualBox. I am not suprised that > > it works, but worth a mention in the documentation > > I think. You wrote that you have a question, what is it? > > > I guess the question was all what I wrote, without putting it as a > question. I don't know why but now manpages work, while the internet > connection is down again (shutted down the machine with halt). Before > that, I recall the info command, and started using it. And the problem > with not finding .bash_history was being used to ll in Ubuntu, > forgetting that ll is an alias for ls -laF. I realized that after > doing a find and trying ls -ltra, and remembering working with other > distros. But my mail was already sent. > Does modifying the documentation counts also as a contribution? I > mean, I do not intend to only do so, but I don't know where to start. > If documenting, if packaging R, seing the issue with clojure (I've > never used clojure before), keep playing with GuixSD, please, let me > know what is better. Sorry if this is confusing. I should have communicated much clearer. Please do the packaging first, as these types of contributions go the fastest. Yes, documentation changes count as a contribution, but usually go slower, as more discussion is involved. The clojure issue is not an urgent one, it is only a convenience thing, so you don't need to work on it. Playing with GuixSD will definitely pay out well later, but you can't register it as a contribution, so I would do that later if I were you. Do you notice the internet connection going down after you have installed GuixSD? (On the installation image the connection is down on boot) > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > One thing that was today on the Outreachy mentors-mailinglis= t: If you > > > > > >> > finally made a contribution, please go directly on the Outre= achy > > > > > >> > project page, select the Guix project and formally record yo= ur > > > > > >> > contributions. That's important to us and for the whole Outr= eachy > > > > > >> > project to see who/how many applicants are possible candidat= es for a > > > > > >> > project > > > > > If I do the R packaging, where do I record in Guix? And I am keep= ing > > > > > my daily journal with the problems I encounter, but I am not very= sure > > > > > about where to upload it for Guix. As regards my daily journal. i= s it > > > > > OK to hace it in Google Drive? I know its FOSS, but it's a good w= ay of > > > > > easily updating the doc and having it accesible. And in outreachy= it > > > > > says that Refining current documentation is a contribution too. I > > > > > don't know if this applies also to problems I encounter and how I > > > > > managed to solve them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have a working package, and you followed the contribution gu= ide, you got to the part > > > > where you can send your patch. The debbugs issue tracker creates an= issue for the patches > > > > sent to guix-patches@gnu.org. These patches are then reviewed, we w= ill give you feedback, > > > > and when it is in a shape to include it in guix, we will accept it,= upstream the changes and close > > > > the issue. This completes the contibution. Then you will have to re= cord this on the Outreachy site. > > > > https://www.outreachy.org/apply/ > > > > in this point: > > > > 4. Record in-progress contributions on the Outreachy website. You'l= l need to go to the community landing page linked from the projects listing= page. Then click the 'Record Contribution' button. Add links and descripti= ons to your contributions and the project timeline before the application d= eadline. You can always go back and edit your recorded contributions. A con= tribution doesn't have to be merged or accepted to be recorded. > > > > describes the process. > > > > Note that you can record the contibution while it is still in progr= ess. > > > > > > Maybe it is because I'm kind of sleepy, but I dont understand very > > > well this part. Should I be recording an in progress contribution > > > without having sent it to you first? Or after sending it to the guix > > > patches mail without receiving the feedback?> > > > > I guess you need to reference the contribution somehow, so I believe > > the earilest you should try recording the contribution is after it > > gets an issue assigned, so you can use the issue URL as a refence. > > A patch gets an issue assigned after you send a mail to the > > guix-patches list. You will receive a response that tells the e-mail > > address where further communication should go regarding that patch. > > For an example see: http://issues.guix.info/issue/32709 > > (it is tagged as easy by the way, if you would like to give it a try) > > > > I can accept your contribution when the patch gets upstream, and the > > issue is closed. We usually close an issue by metioning the commit > > (and also the branch) where it made upstream. > > > > > > You can get faster responses if you CC your mentors to the message = sent to guix-patches, so that we can notice the incoming patch. > > > > > > > > For now I suggest sending the notes with the difficulties encounter= ed in a mail to the devel list, accompanied with suggestions on how to clar= ify the relevant parts of the documentation. Documentation changes tend to = take longer, as it usually involves community discussion, but you can get t= his started. You can keep your private copy of these on google drive, and i= t is possible to create a git repo somewhere to keep track of a file with t= hese, preferably an org mode text document. > > > > WDYT? > > > Yes, for me it is OK. I have an account in bitbucket, but because it > > > allows me to have private repos without having to pay extra for that = - > > > most people here use github. Is it ok to use it even it is not FOSS? = I > > > was reading what an org mode text document is. I know about people > > > arguing about emacs-vi. Do I need to install emacs for that? I have > > > always been a vi-vim user. Don't mind installing it, or using another > > > repo, but please let me know. > > > > Actually installing emacs is not required, but recommended, as it is > > very well integrated with guile and guix. > > Org mode is a good way to keep things organized, but it is not a > > requirement either. (But once I tried it was > > a never look back experience for me.) You can try vim-orgmode for > > basic org mode functionality. > > If you are ok with having a repo on gitlab it would be nice. It is > > FOSS, and it allows you to have private > > repos without having to pay extra for that :) I've moved just recently > > from github there. (And also a lot of my colleagues.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See the "Application Setup" section in the manual, for more info. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > I installed guix on a VM with an Ubuntu distro and it work= ed fine - i > > > > > >> > > ran some basic commands. > > > > > >> > > I am trying to install GuixSD over that VM too and on bar= e metal - > > > > > >> > > don't know if this two steps are necessary, but looking at= the tasks > > > > > >> > > for Outreachy one items says that I will be doing document= ation for > > > > > >> > > it. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Concerning bare metal: Guix uses 100% Free Software und thus= uses the > > > > > >> > libre kernel, not the normal vanilla kernel. That means some= binaries > > > > > >> > included in the vanilla kernel are stripped off. Hickups mig= ht occur, > > > > > >> > especially with Network, WLAN and Graphics, compared to Ubun= tu. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> I thought that by installing bare metal ment installing it on = a VM > > > > > >> without any operating system. I mean, putting the ISO there. I= only > > > > > >> have one retro PC available with no OS where I could be trying= that - > > > > > >> it is like 13 years old, and it is not a laptop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is ok to skip that all together, a VM install is more than e= nough for now. > > > > > > > > > > > >> > As always before installing a new OS, make backups of your d= ata and > > > > > >> > configurations on that machine! > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > 1) should I write, at least for myself, the problems I've = been > > > > > >> > > encountering in the whole process of doing everything? > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Yes, very good! I do that for myself too. It leads to good, = reproducible > > > > > >> > bug reports, bug fixes, documentation fixes, blog entries an= d could also > > > > > >> > be used as a starting point for a screenplay for the videos. > > > > > >> Love doing this kind of things. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Bj=C3=B6rn > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > g_bor > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > g_bor > > Best regards, > > g_bor > Regards! > Laura Best regards, g_bor