Re: Frequent locales problems for new users

["Gábor Boskovits" <boskovits@gmail.com>]

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Hello,

Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> ezt írta (időpont: 2020. márc. 21., Szo
16:37):

> Hi Leo,
>
> Leo Famulari <leo@famulari.name> skribis:
>
> > On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 04:07:22PM +0100, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> >> As for ‘glibc-utf8-locales’ vs. ‘glibc-locales’: the reason for choosing
> >> the former by default over the latter is size (14 MiB vs. 917 MiB).
> >
> > Oof! I was going by the manual, which says 110 MiB. That does change
> > things...
>
> Yes, I was also surprised.
>
> The patch below produces a package that includes all the UTF-8 locales
> (actually I had written that patch long ago, it feels like we’re running
> in circles :-)).
>
> It takes ages to build, and when it’s finally done:
>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> $ ./pre-inst-env guix build -e '((@@ (gnu packages base)
> make-glibc-utf8-locales/full))'
> substitute: updating substitutes from 'https://ci.guix.gnu.org'... 100.0%
> substitute: updating substitutes from 'https://ci.guix.gnu.org'... 100.0%
> substituting /gnu/store/jdfs3xvlnj272475yja6bjrprfsgnkdd-glibc-2.29...
> downloading from
> https://ci.guix.gnu.org/nar/lzip/jdfs3xvlnj272475yja6bjrprfsgnkdd-glibc-2.29.
> ..
>  glibc-2.29  8.2MiB
>  1.8MiB/s 00:05 [##################] 100.0%
>
> building
> /gnu/store/w08zi9vnkd7bxpfvm5lgjyb30i7k7sw4-glibc-supported-utf8-locales.scm.drv...
> successfully built
> /gnu/store/w08zi9vnkd7bxpfvm5lgjyb30i7k7sw4-glibc-supported-utf8-locales.scm.drv
> building
> /gnu/store/ps6wh05pwjp5b0l9rh2yglv3sggpgcw4-glibc-utf8-locales-2.29.drv...
> successfully built
> /gnu/store/ps6wh05pwjp5b0l9rh2yglv3sggpgcw4-glibc-utf8-locales-2.29.drv
> /gnu/store/p0knl9ggxk91x87ww702g2x78jxy1vgf-glibc-utf8-locales-2.29
> ludo@ribbon ~/src/guix$ guix size
> /gnu/store/p0knl9ggxk91x87ww702g2x78jxy1vgf-glibc-utf8-locales-2.29 | tail
> -1
> total: 855.7 MiB
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>
> So I think that’s when we reached the conclusion that we needed
> parameterized packages to allow users to choose the locale(s) they need
> or special support in ‘guix package’.
>

I believe we could also add individual locales as outputs. Then we just
have to make sure that they are included to the LOCPATH. I believe we could
do this to the frequently used locales, and direct users to only install
out when they don't find an output with their locale. Wdyt?

>
> :-/
>
> Attached is the list of supported UTF-8 locales, 312 in total.
>
> Thoughts?  How do other distros deal with this?  Are we missing some
> trick to compress locale data?
>
> Ludo’.
>
g_bor

>
> ("aa_DJ"
>  "aa_ER"
>  "aa_ER@saaho"
>  "aa_ET"
>  "af_ZA"
>  "agr_PE"
>  "ak_GH"
>  "am_ET"
>  "an_ES"
>  "anp_IN"
>  "ar_AE"
>  "ar_BH"
>  "ar_DZ"
>  "ar_EG"
>  "ar_IN"
>  "ar_IQ"
>  "ar_JO"
>  "ar_KW"
>  "ar_LB"
>  "ar_LY"
>  "ar_MA"
>  "ar_OM"
>  "ar_QA"
>  "ar_SA"
>  "ar_SD"
>  "ar_SS"
>  "ar_SY"
>  "ar_TN"
>  "ar_YE"
>  "ayc_PE"
>  "az_AZ"
>  "az_IR"
>  "as_IN"
>  "ast_ES"
>  "be_BY"
>  "be_BY@latin"
>  "bem_ZM"
>  "ber_DZ"
>  "ber_MA"
>  "bg_BG"
>  "bhb_IN"
>  "bho_IN"
>  "bho_NP"
>  "bi_VU"
>  "bn_BD"
>  "bn_IN"
>  "bo_CN"
>  "bo_IN"
>  "br_FR"
>  "brx_IN"
>  "bs_BA"
>  "byn_ER"
>  "ca_AD"
>  "ca_ES"
>  "ca_ES@valencia"
>  "ca_FR"
>  "ca_IT"
>  "ce_RU"
>  "chr_US"
>  "cmn_TW"
>  "crh_UA"
>  "cs_CZ"
>  "csb_PL"
>  "cv_RU"
>  "cy_GB"
>  "da_DK"
>  "de_AT"
>  "de_BE"
>  "de_CH"
>  "de_DE"
>  "de_IT"
>  "de_LI"
>  "de_LU"
>  "doi_IN"
>  "dsb_DE"
>  "dv_MV"
>  "dz_BT"
>  "el_GR"
>  "el_CY"
>  "en_AG"
>  "en_AU"
>  "en_BW"
>  "en_CA"
>  "en_DK"
>  "en_GB"
>  "en_HK"
>  "en_IE"
>  "en_IL"
>  "en_IN"
>  "en_NG"
>  "en_NZ"
>  "en_PH"
>  "en_SC"
>  "en_SG"
>  "en_US"
>  "en_ZA"
>  "en_ZM"
>  "en_ZW"
>  "eo"
>  "es_AR"
>  "es_BO"
>  "es_CL"
>  "es_CO"
>  "es_CR"
>  "es_CU"
>  "es_DO"
>  "es_EC"
>  "es_ES"
>  "es_GT"
>  "es_HN"
>  "es_MX"
>  "es_NI"
>  "es_PA"
>  "es_PE"
>  "es_PR"
>  "es_PY"
>  "es_SV"
>  "es_US"
>  "es_UY"
>  "es_VE"
>  "et_EE"
>  "eu_ES"
>  "fa_IR"
>  "ff_SN"
>  "fi_FI"
>  "fil_PH"
>  "fo_FO"
>  "fr_BE"
>  "fr_CA"
>  "fr_CH"
>  "fr_FR"
>  "fr_LU"
>  "fur_IT"
>  "fy_NL"
>  "fy_DE"
>  "ga_IE"
>  "gd_GB"
>  "gez_ER"
>  "gez_ER@abegede"
>  "gez_ET"
>  "gez_ET@abegede"
>  "gl_ES"
>  "gu_IN"
>  "gv_GB"
>  "ha_NG"
>  "hak_TW"
>  "he_IL"
>  "hi_IN"
>  "hif_FJ"
>  "hne_IN"
>  "hr_HR"
>  "hsb_DE"
>  "ht_HT"
>  "hu_HU"
>  "hy_AM"
>  "ia_FR"
>  "id_ID"
>  "ig_NG"
>  "ik_CA"
>  "is_IS"
>  "it_CH"
>  "it_IT"
>  "iu_CA"
>  "ja_JP"
>  "ka_GE"
>  "kab_DZ"
>  "kk_KZ"
>  "kl_GL"
>  "km_KH"
>  "kn_IN"
>  "ko_KR"
>  "kok_IN"
>  "ks_IN"
>  "ks_IN@devanagari"
>  "ku_TR"
>  "kw_GB"
>  "ky_KG"
>  "lb_LU"
>  "lg_UG"
>  "li_BE"
>  "li_NL"
>  "lij_IT"
>  "ln_CD"
>  "lo_LA"
>  "lt_LT"
>  "lv_LV"
>  "lzh_TW"
>  "mag_IN"
>  "mai_IN"
>  "mai_NP"
>  "mfe_MU"
>  "mg_MG"
>  "mhr_RU"
>  "mi_NZ"
>  "miq_NI"
>  "mjw_IN"
>  "mk_MK"
>  "ml_IN"
>  "mn_MN"
>  "mni_IN"
>  "mr_IN"
>  "ms_MY"
>  "mt_MT"
>  "my_MM"
>  "nan_TW"
>  "nan_TW@latin"
>  "nb_NO"
>  "nds_DE"
>  "nds_NL"
>  "ne_NP"
>  "nhn_MX"
>  "niu_NU"
>  "niu_NZ"
>  "nl_AW"
>  "nl_BE"
>  "nl_NL"
>  "nn_NO"
>  "nr_ZA"
>  "nso_ZA"
>  "oc_FR"
>  "om_ET"
>  "om_KE"
>  "or_IN"
>  "os_RU"
>  "pa_IN"
>  "pa_PK"
>  "pap_AW"
>  "pap_CW"
>  "pl_PL"
>  "ps_AF"
>  "pt_BR"
>  "pt_PT"
>  "quz_PE"
>  "raj_IN"
>  "ro_RO"
>  "ru_RU"
>  "ru_UA"
>  "rw_RW"
>  "sa_IN"
>  "sah_RU"
>  "sat_IN"
>  "sc_IT"
>  "sd_IN"
>  "sd_IN@devanagari"
>  "se_NO"
>  "sgs_LT"
>  "shn_MM"
>  "shs_CA"
>  "si_LK"
>  "sid_ET"
>  "sk_SK"
>  "sl_SI"
>  "sm_WS"
>  "so_DJ"
>  "so_ET"
>  "so_KE"
>  "so_SO"
>  "sq_AL"
>  "sq_MK"
>  "sr_ME"
>  "sr_RS"
>  "sr_RS@latin"
>  "ss_ZA"
>  "st_ZA"
>  "sv_FI"
>  "sv_SE"
>  "sw_KE"
>  "sw_TZ"
>  "szl_PL"
>  "ta_IN"
>  "ta_LK"
>  "tcy_IN"
>  "te_IN"
>  "tg_TJ"
>  "th_TH"
>  "the_NP"
>  "ti_ER"
>  "ti_ET"
>  "tig_ER"
>  "tk_TM"
>  "tl_PH"
>  "tn_ZA"
>  "to_TO"
>  "tpi_PG"
>  "tr_CY"
>  "tr_TR"
>  "ts_ZA"
>  "tt_RU"
>  "tt_RU@iqtelif"
>  "ug_CN"
>  "uk_UA"
>  "unm_US"
>  "ur_IN"
>  "ur_PK"
>  "uz_UZ"
>  "uz_UZ@cyrillic"
>  "ve_ZA"
>  "vi_VN"
>  "wa_BE"
>  "wae_CH"
>  "wal_ET"
>  "wo_SN"
>  "xh_ZA"
>  "yi_US"
>  "yo_NG"
>  "yue_HK"
>  "yuw_PG"
>  "zh_CN"
>  "zh_HK"
>  "zh_SG"
>  "zh_TW"
>  "zu_ZA")
>

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