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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, =?utf-8?Q?S=C5=82awomir_Lach?= Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1643236877; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=c4oDB8QzbMdsI9tuI4zaxdSOdSPrJZfnoHuyZTXuiaU=; b=h1V5ftESC91CVWl2PeG9LSQLov+fafjunwfNO7gxaB4pBYZ3IFRDCSX3Lp3isvggrndHci +YnrQkLEqnJ5oV44bbtGIto9Rh8A1olJjFxYqUrzko7Ee8iUPjpnj/pPu8ge5j81TSulf+ qK5sI8i9lbX6urLQmLq3qcAcXApTLgSlnF4w3xR4B9Y82pvgRWVXO6oSYBOx9LcWRQ5pRq cpH4if8vumRAIib0T55NJVFXRT+mA8v2KiA2mf9UFUhfFuVMfJb490LgRKllHpV8xWR68X Vi/hvyJtW+C+NCIMJWdPdLOYJsRIsf1Yp/I2i9KF8RcUX4AZjzDjYVwgUlM7KQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1643236877; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=YaruXpXoEGZX2jyZI5dNpBFJT1S2TaBnLSbz9a9deWCfNVDoX6ppoqHV6CJPXg0EZNvEwf P1J/I2OJ5KaiGXwq2cquV0fSf8IuNthpIddWD1mbWURVJC9W9nSm6KIYQmGsdRfZiaEu2x 0KvvD7Fe/TLW9ZM75b5808zPtKMxqkhZDoUJTVfS5qcGed2LCGXG9OivFQKT+K+JkPJ9ER +I7fLlbYFZohp2LouEVdd1T/RVF1Y1ct9wHoNKM+TyghGj4JQ61gEi98M8Ao5TzpRI/hfh YhpXW3NlqWPpP0dp0h2+mr5GZ3rxETQZYU3qYfr9iUNR5OfesIkBZEFt9Rb3NQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.73 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 873E420054 X-Spam-Score: -2.73 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: y2Q5OnXywZ/1 Does Guix really run out of the box in Debian? I have never tried it but my friend Debian expert friend keeps telling me th= at: * Just apt-get installing Guix doesn't work * and his really big complaint is evidently he creates "virtual environments= " (short of full-on VMware, I imagine it is an assortment of Linux native tr= icks that are wrapped by tools like Docker) for every OS he tries but=20 * Evidently the same tricks don't work with Guix * He does not want to try full blown Guix OS without first testing it in abo= ve ways * He is very comfortable with Debian - doesn't see any benefit that Guix bri= ngs I cannot comment much because the whole point of my using Guix is precisely b= ecause I know very little if Linux and its surrounding toolset so I want to a= bstract it, paper it over with Guix =F0=9F=98=84 -Yasu > On Jan 27, 2022, at 06:43, Ricardo Wurmus wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > S=C5=82awomir Lach writes: >=20 >> Solution is simple: >> 1. Keep older packages in GUIX repo, so developers could request older ve= rsion=20 >> in scripts >=20 > Unforunately, it=E2=80=99s really not that simply to keep older packages a= round. > I=E2=80=99m maintaining packages for a bunch of bioinformatics tools, for > example, which are stuck in the past. Building them becomes more and > more difficult as time passes and the rest of the world moves on. It is > not feasible to maintain an ever-growing collection of outdated software > and their toolchains. >=20 > But: Guix supports channels, so people who absolutely must use GCC 3 to > build their abandoned tools to build their old source code that=E2=80=99s s= tuck > in the past can totally do that. >=20 >> Minus: possible security hell. >=20 > :) >=20 > --=20 > Ricardo >=20