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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1654115512; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=0JDUuoNGvfulQnf/fGvujaJe8NZL3dXgb9sMXBFjIaA=; b=s5tcnrIDAM2f3NUhszvQRGsUMeIg8a26B02Y55PapV/GYlYWDkWKaFs/LJCXj+HZ9UPy62 1SaLLR6QV1d37t0QhhlcIGxsvdmaXlaGhpUJMWCINJ+wy72yGGGpodEy9pwIjwc6zJZPOu a2wQzx5ddqxbubV57pqeRVQ1iC3/S2z1nUKUCBF7qNl8AJRUUy4+KZiXdZyl9GHfT94S/r lZ2Ii6ibvni6OzbcqlfhmCL+cR4zOeXER6kxaKN9bOuEc1wyFbX13EiNyspr+jCi/hsqAO 5/ed5k6TS9J2Wbnqv7tDI1hRPlJCwUrXgJxb/tIYrlDfpD2iIDwTDaUhP8gwPA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1654115512; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=YLYNkUh5LxQgM6yl39wK26jsxNzZU14DgKL3xpRE3/M5toj/Nc47SF70vzx4UI1QdiyBO6 nY2FvbyPcf5EofVG7Z/Z2wCsLn8Mkd6MJEzyWpChC8+2EYr00hrrVEhSmC42263z+rOQXL EPwQJnME+5NDbJJasMco0KhxZpgGpdLddQl2RzEY6tGwyd+wsC5uDGFoygfbyXZoygQ5dy wYjBc477Eb9MjDc/NuZh3TmrENf0m4zzV/OnuLxfRvFyDvsGUpfGJIoAk3SWCKZHa5oTt+ HIY4U+tqZZS6unbW+UEI0pi4LRfEWczHwt1C2FSMqbVHq/PIHiJN81g/BGxpdg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=telenet.be header.s=r22 header.b=DxRXMK7e; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=telenet.be; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.73 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=telenet.be header.s=r22 header.b=DxRXMK7e; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=telenet.be; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: A927344D6E X-Spam-Score: -4.73 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: B1oT81hNwx+g --=-Ma/GLit9J4QAMem8kb2m Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable zimoun schreef op wo 01-06-2022 om 21:51 [+0200]: > Any user of Guix, scientist or not, can be surprised that their > perfectly working packages are suddenly removed without a period of > grace.=C2=A0 Yes, these packages could have been removed before today sin= ce > they are EOL since 2 years.=C2=A0 It does not change my concern. >=20 > What is the emergency in the maintenance burden that we cannot publicly > announce the purge and wait a grace* period?=C2=A0 For the broken package= s, I > understand.=C2=A0 I am sorry but I am still missing for the perfectly wor= king > packages. > [...] > *grace period: it could have been short as couple of weeks. The grace period has been started back in 2008 and ended in 2015. I don't know the original location where this has been publicly announced, but there is [0]: > (from [0]) > Sunsetting Python 2 > [...] > We did not want to hurt the people using Python 2. So, in 2008, we > announced that we would sunset Python 2 in 2015, This is a 5 year grace period, which is already a lot of weeks. Futhermore, this has even been extended for five additional years: > (from [0]) > and asked people to upgrade before then. Some did, but many did not. > So, in 2014, we extended that sunset till 2020 So we're at a ten-year grace period. And some distros have informally extended the grace period a bit longer to some limited degree. That said, I suppose it would have been better to also repeat the message about the grace period on the blog, channel news and info-guix (and maybe on IRC too, why not) as you seem to suggest, for people that follow distro news but not upstream news, given the large impact (many python2 packages)? [0]: https://www.python.org/doc/sunset-python-2/ Greetings, Maxime. --=-Ma/GLit9J4QAMem8kb2m Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iI0EABYKADUWIQTB8z7iDFKP233XAR9J4+4iGRcl7gUCYpfMgxccbWF4aW1lZGV2 b3NAdGVsZW5ldC5iZQAKCRBJ4+4iGRcl7ufAAP465T6rqqKOEC9/7R9Ok5D7QzeB V5qpkdF+tG+mM+QgrgD/apOQ/Hp7uEADDo5mlz2xwbjKICaCtPn8zzLva6ngqwA= =EkhL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-Ma/GLit9J4QAMem8kb2m--