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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -6.72 X-Spam-Score: -6.72 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: D4F8C3C97C X-Migadu-Scanner: mx11.migadu.com X-TUID: OWnywgckBq2r > We are talking about social rules that we have here in the Guix > community not legal/state rules. ethics, i.e. the discussion of rights, is a branch of philosophy. ideally, it should inform the people who are writing and enforcing state la= ws, but these days -- sadly -- it has precious little to do with state laws= . and i think you're the one here who conflates the two. > Specifically the social rules that we support trans people and we want > to include them. Any person really that want to change their name at > some point for some reason. > > To that end we listen to their concerns/wishes and we accommodate them. i've asked you this before, and i'll keep asking it: sure, accommodate, but= to what extent? what is a reasonable cost i can incur on others? (see the = discussion of negative vs. positive rights in this context) what if i declare that i only feel accommodated here if everyone attaches t= he local weather forcast to each mail they send to guix-devel? the limit of your demands begins where it starts to constrain the freedom o= f others. considering this is an essential part of respectful behavior towa= rds others. --=20 =E2=80=A2 attila lendvai =E2=80=A2 PGP: 963F 5D5F 45C7 DFCD 0A39 -- =E2=80=9CI am not what happened to me, I am what I choose to become.= =E2=80=9D =09=E2=80=94 Carl Jung (1875=E2=80=931961)