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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1658266953; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=OHB35YNR1zL/yayNCza4wo7WoEjpJ9xn8yiYFy//XjE=; b=cpJqlM8Htjae1sJU+iYyWYN5qC/5Q972Q/MPSzkjTJV0mKfILchd346CjznsAPMQb1foBO 0Q95UX4T3DdzPzQBLt3FRd45frGh/ygIAHvOcB6Sn3Ua/tw6Ft6jA2z3LHoDJaum9hjJb4 fJSKckB1nQUjYAfVXVt3w3bgj4qb9i/B4LZi4Ww5gHDEAkLM+587AOhpHQwdgGDm7Jc8Bo Gih9iTMSGFNPmHrVWV26rUZXscShnxHHpGc6RPVbXriOQ3iy7jHDE1gIwVsnWMy4SKmx79 +QsdNSnxp7afIfmbIGkinR8PBldqMaL4TvwwUARDshXFIfprexTK314jIbbXsw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1658266953; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=abbquGthvLY33HDDYLROa2c+/ZoD5zgcICBylspa14b/GSlhV/UVP72rCPKF/6VhqBhzBw S5bOFTdssDuD5gA9H6+JOPtq9pl0Q0p9w+yvsYIexKfOAMF2j5IM6lM1ZS0FHpkjQAd5Xa LFsMwoF58nK6YlC7UZoFwkzzwzOb1MgbXAeL90BzjP1yhTFNC6094uf80SWeCEEz3mxCAz Fo4xbbsyzfkqS/9g0uAzLWSnH4NYJZd9gWumq4h1+Ik6nQ3myqZd3ly2qr53H/tvfmqW+k 4aXlH40qGyoonq5Sk62Hc8awUJZxH5L4Dhl8G6PUxBNrWOTiNfySzfjHCMiZVQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=dismail.de header.s=20190914 header.b=nNN51V+W; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=dismail.de; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.03 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=dismail.de header.s=20190914 header.b=nNN51V+W; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=dismail.de; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 5269114B2E X-Spam-Score: -5.03 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: gOXjdYqDWHjU July 14, 2022 6:24 AM, "zimoun" wrote: > Hi, >=20 >=20On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 at 18:44, Joshua Branson wro= te: >=20 >=20Well, I am missing where it is announced. Could you be more specific? Someone else already provided the link, but someone on irc did ask me where the source code for HyperbolaBSD is? I can't find it, and that is a bit troubling... >=20 >=20If you run OpenBSD kernel and OpenBSD userland, why not just run an > OpenBSD system? :-) I love that Guix is the Emacs of distros! It's cool to customize it! And easy! But OpenBSD "seems to be more secure" than GNU/Linux. And=20 Linux=20is huge! And OpenBSD has some awesome software: pf, spamd, httpd= , and some other stuff that their marketing tells me is good. Maybe a good first step would be for guix to provide a hardened linux package.=20=20 >=20Well, Debian is working (maybe the project is stalling?) on running G= NU > userland using GLibc on the top of a FreeBSD kernel. The conclusion is: > it is a piece of work. :-) >=20 >=20https://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu >=20 >=20What I miss with your proposal is: are you interested by OpenBSD > userland software and you would like them running on a Linux kernel? Or > are you interested by specific OpenBSD kernel feature and you would lik= e > be able to run GNU software on it? I would love to use a secure, extensible, microkernel/exokernel that has = a universal guixy configuration language. Guix GNU/Hurd System vm is proba= bly=20 the=20best candidate for this, but my understanding is that the "childhur= d"=20=20 (a=20GNU/Hurd running on top of GNU/Linux) is not very stable. Possibly = because the vm image does not have a swap space. There was an open bug report fo= r it but I cannot find it. Has anyone here had a good experience with a childhurd? Not a criticism, I just have not heard many people say that the childhurd is stable/awesom= e. >=20 >=20I think, similar as Josselin, that it requires a lot of work because > many low-level features are kernel dependant. Therefore, it appears to > me more being worth to focus on smoothing the WSL2 experience, focus on > the Hurd, or to attempt something on the Darwin kernel. >=20 >=20Cheers, > simon