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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution , jgart Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1619248413; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=8uDX4u3qh9F/ExoxM5x/HMFH0kJtk4sxjrUzcE2P0JQ=; b=u640aklqS64fwzFdKd7GJU/PhxjRH2lYyrsoouk3jKotvdPUm/kT2HC5S+/yatFh0rLW2T jTvlsVFacZqxAwh0DgJbO4LHPmAheaY4GvB0jlHX+zqxP+M0iABQnb5bIq1UEqG6Rtl4z7 QSm7+H+EFSMr4GkvWHLKP6AJka7Iqi951+uMrjMVoZ9WuY5WYSO4g+568uNZrqupU2X/B9 kt+tLULZLhAOuFcQRUEX+FW9wHCx+UPcV5IQ5xM4UTusscRBiceW8NhZyKMU07vysB57MK mjJJ+1pxG6qZK+Ov63N7Te+OoBhm0B9KKP8OqbIQooAuaJ50rgzaWK4w13VCoQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1619248413; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=L1eM31SmPP7XgVjpJqToUkSk2PrwW+6Qf8W6Em2Cx0CwWX8PGdWxDWuZyLz4gH218TcpUT pAJTX+beGO8zfnGL1nbstX5y2Svv+qZAnf3V6DCaO9Uuc1dLiD8NU+Yq2txMMNAtBUtbBO s9WcRmDPhcFlF+2yxD1yunaBcxaGPPz2BWklHdBjFL+/PfdLkTK5MxA8KNWv5g/g2CozLt X5mNB1/gzCB1xXk2dO8n8Iq/60PW6DbKl6z0A7J+5SCKrWTSAMJEury80LUCA5EID8tAnF j1sUg44cEo/AC56onEcc8mVUG9u3nW1QMICHJlkQxA0C2/3P0prRpimdORQbig== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=tugraz.at header.s=mailrelay header.b=bDwKecGc; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=student.tugraz.at (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.34 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=tugraz.at header.s=mailrelay header.b=bDwKecGc; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=student.tugraz.at (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 07B6F1D694 X-Spam-Score: -1.34 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: snnozfJlvSCt Am Samstag, den 24.04.2021, 01:50 +0000 schrieb Ryan Prior: > On April 23, 2021, Leo Famulari wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 10:00:14PM +0200, Leo Prikler wrote: > > > Spreadsheets sounds fine to me, but I think the most important > > ones > > > (libreoffice and org-mode) are already excluded from that module > > for > > > obvious reasons ;) > > > Perhaps an even more generic "office" module might be better, > > because > > > then we could at least add some small word processors to it, > > WDYT? Or > > > maybe sc-im already fits as-is into textutils if you squint hard > > enough > > > > My main objection was about moving packages. So whatever module you > > create is fine, but let's not start moving libreoffice and org-mode > > around. > > As the person who originally suggested organizing tui-apps into a > file, I'd envisioned it as being sort of like its own desktop > environment. So similar to how we might put Gnome (GTK) apps and KDE > (Qt) apps together, we might put tui (ASCII terminal) apps together. I don't think that makes too much sense. GNOME, MATE, XFCE, Unity, Cinnamon etc. are all GTK-based toolkits, but their mere size warrants to put them into their own modules (at least for some, probably). I also don't think, that TUI apps form a cohesive interface as there are few "collective guidelines" for how a TUI app should look like. See ncmpc and ncmpcpp for an example of two TUI apps serving the same purpose but looking very different. > I am not upset if that's unconvincing to others & will happily drop > the proposal if it's not useful, I never intended for it to become a > drawn out discussion. It also makes sense to me that we might > organize things by programming language or by function, those each > have strengths as strategies. Supposing sc-im was programmed in Rust (it is not afaik, but suppose it was), putting it into rust-apps would probably be fine. Regards, Leo