From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp2 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id KJszCUMGg18OWwAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 13:18:59 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp2 with LMTPS id 4ObtBEMGg1/dYgAAB5/wlQ (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 13:18:59 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E13929401E3 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 13:18:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:42654 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRbFZ-0003K9-SY for larch@yhetil.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 09:18:57 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35990) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRbFR-0003K1-CU for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 09:18:49 -0400 Received: from mout-p-103.mailbox.org ([80.241.56.161]:22760) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_CHACHA20_POLY1305:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRbFP-0006Ed-Eq for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 09:18:49 -0400 Received: from smtp2.mailbox.org (smtp2.mailbox.org [IPv6:2001:67c:2050:105:465:1:2:0]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-384) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mout-p-103.mailbox.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C8Mnw62nkzKmSg; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 15:18:44 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at heinlein-support.de Received: from smtp2.mailbox.org ([80.241.60.241]) by gerste.heinlein-support.de (gerste.heinlein-support.de [91.198.250.173]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id RsJNJR4W5ERv; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 15:18:41 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 16:18:41 +0300 (TRT) From: Lulu To: zimoun , "guix-devel@gnu.org" Message-ID: <954068629.23820.1602422321143@office.mailbox.org> In-Reply-To: <86d01pugrx.fsf@gmail.com> References: <1674337602.21406.1602378860827@office.mailbox.org> <86d01pugrx.fsf@gmail.com> Subject: Re: First impressions from delving into Guix MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MBO-SPAM-Probability: X-Rspamd-Score: -2.15 / 15.00 / 15.00 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: DCDB11701 X-Rspamd-UID: a75ef3 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=80.241.56.161; envelope-from=me@erkin.party; helo=mout-p-103.mailbox.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/11 09:18:45 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 0.49 X-TUID: gUPie06ieycs > On 2020-10-11 14:46 zimoun wrote: >=20 > What do you mean? What do you feel that is missing? This one was a mistake on my part; I thought the module layout was much mor= e rigid than it actually is, due to informal conventions, and the Emacs-style Commentary and Code sections threw me off. :-P > Do you have a wording suggestion? Hmm, you could say outright in the beginning of "(guix)System Configuration= " that configuration isn't kept in specific magic files, unlike most other operating systems, and that configuration happens atomically and endures un= til the next reconfiguration. (So that's what instantiation means here!) Other operating systems I've used that had a unified high-level CLI over existing system configuration still had configuration files to be parsed at startup, so I was a bit lost. :-) > If you have time, I would be interested by these issues; if you remember. Someone in #guix said the SELinux policy module dated to Fedora 23 times, s= o that's probably why. (I was on Fedora 31.) =20 > What do you mean? =E2=80=9Cguix show guile=E2=80=9D lists all the availa= ble versions. >=20 > Which Guile have you patched? The Guile that Arch provides, right? =20 Arch doesn't provide a Guile 3.0 package and the user-provided script on AU= R is broken, so I had to patch that to get it to play nice with the native packa= ge manager. I'm not quite sure why but my attempts at introducing Guile into t= he environment through Guix failed. I'll try again later to investigate. > So I am not convinced that the =E2=80=9Cand=E2=80=9D is really required. = ;-) But =E2=80=9Cmore > is less=E2=80=9D. :-) =20 Ah, that makes sense. I tried the -utf8- one at first, then installed the o= ther one. Now I see! > I suggest to read [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7] and try to package something. > Easy and good candidates for first packages are CRAN or BioConductor > packages: > > You can pick unpackaged one from the list [8]. Do not hesitate to ask > me if you do not find an obvious one =E2=80=93=E2=80=93 it should a good = occasion to > show you =E2=80=9Cguix repl=E2=80=9D. :-) Sure thing! But shouldn't I finish the Git log subcommand first? Or should = I leave it to last? -- Lulu