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Content-Language: en-US To: Ricardo Wurmus , jbranso@dismail.de Cc: MSavoritias , Vivien Kraus , Felix Lechner , guix-devel@gnu.org References: <874jgqk90z.fsf@lease-up.com> <2fceb085-f113-03f8-a950-4f6e43203c6a@fannys.me> <87v896i0e3.fsf@lease-up.com> <81610f0c-160f-6ace-c135-5024717712f1@fannys.me> <8b55d5859db6d7e09e953cb9edadfd8325d10dc0.camel@planete-kraus.eu> <68dcc944-6388-fb83-998a-be9568c11864@fannys.me> <8a7cd695497ebc32ede8e30b11cea14ac7dd8bc8@dismail.de> <8734w5b4yp.fsf@elephly.net> From: Ada Stevenson In-Reply-To: <8734w5b4yp.fsf@elephly.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::62b; envelope-from=adanskana@gmail.com; helo=mail-pl1-x62b.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.702, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.50 X-Spam-Score: -5.50 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 9CD3B14508 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx12.migadu.com X-TUID: qdy1rEOHL76P Hi, On 12/14/23 7:36 AM, Ricardo Wurmus wrote: > jbranso@dismail.de writes: > >> I would like to pay $5 a month to have an xmpp account coolawesomeusername@guix.gnu.org >> >> Are there other interested parties? It might be a possible way to generate $$ to continue developing guix. > I’d rather not commercialize stuff like this, especially not for project > communication. I wouldn’t want our servers to cache image, > video, and audio uploads by “coolawesomeusername” that aren’t related to > discussing Guix. Nor would I want to give the impression that > “coolawesomeusername”’s activities are in any way endorsed by > guix.gnu.org. We don’t ache for $5 a month, and giving away autonomy > over the name and what it is associated with is worth far more than a > trickle of $5. > > In my personal opinion (as an experienced curmudgeon) I think that > setting things up for commercialization is to invite unspeakable dread > and rot. Agreed. Accounts with an official domain like 'guix.gnu.org' should be left for very special cases, such as admin accounts or special server infrastructure. Upkeeping a XMPP server that caches this data would be a little more expensive than usual, but if you use Guix often and want to support the project you should very well just donate. (As a digression, I do believe that we should promote the link to donate to the project a little bit more, perhaps in the IRC and XMPP banners?) Anyway, hosting a server should be pretty cost efficient. A few terabytes would go a long way, and you wouldn't need that much compute speed either. An XMPP server would be the least of our worries expenditure-wise (we still have to decide whats happening with qa.guix and data.guix (!!!!!)) Thanks, Ada (adanska)